53% white women voted for Trump, the misogynist! What do you think about that?

ITPro---Well, what evidence  do you have that Hillary is bad and dirty? Is it because she is a lawyer, a wife, a mother, a daughter, was a governor's First Lady, of a US President's First Lady, or a former senator? 

You tell me. She is not a criminal, nor has ever been indicted for a crime. Ok, you tell me! This post was edited by Marguerite, the Beloved at November 11, 2016 7:44 AM MST

Oh my gosh.  I am stunned and that doesn't happen often. 

Maybe it is 2016 and people do not care if he said p**sy or if he has sex outside of marriage.

You think it's the use of the word p***y that should have women look at him as a misogynist? Smh. It will be the grab'em without consent that is the criminal/disturbing part. Jeez. Some men should better not open their mouths, when in need of air for their bigger head.

It was not said to grab them without consent. It was actually said that women let you do that when you are famous. Until just a few weeks before election day there had been no accusations over his 70 year life of him grabbing p**sy without consent.  As a man I am sure if I grabbed women without consent it would not take years for the them to report this and that is especially true if I were famous.

I really hope you're talking in bad faith here, or else I'm worried...

@IT erm you seem to be forgetting all the lies he's told and the sheer number of lawsuits he is facing to do with his business. You forget that his stance on immigration is hypocritical at best with an immigrant wife and that his own mother was an immigrant.. yet he cast aspersions against Obama's right to be called American? 
In actual fact the stats differ wildly depending on there you look.. I saw that 54% of women voted Hilary.. with respect are you sure you didn't misquote? 

@iTpro, So you think that "one word" makes women think Trump is a misogynist? You must also think women only have one brain cell in their heads. 

@Element, so true! Ha! 

@Stu, I think if Republican women enjoy being put on pedestals to be worshipped as objects is what they like? So be it. They forget that their foot is on a ball-and-chain. This post was edited by Marguerite, the Beloved at November 10, 2016 9:52 AM MST

But with him getting 53% of the female vote, how do you account for the Democratic women who obviously voted for him? And this is 2016, not 1956. With all the single-parent households, women with college educations, and women who are the primary breadwinners for their families, no woman has to have her foot on a ball and chain if she doesn't wish to - just ask Hillary and Huma!

In retrospect, what happened is not all that surprising given all the animosity toward the Bushes and Clintons. I believe that helped Trump more than anything against Jeb Bush in the primaries and against Hillary in the election. She was not the optimal candidate - the Democratic party would have done better with Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders. She's now been defeated twice by less-experienced candidates - Obama in 2008 and Trump this year - when she thought the presidency was hers for the taking.

Great comment Fork, and I truly hope we can all come back to the table.

Thanks LM :)

Believe me, no one is as shocked as this turn of events as I am. I truly didn't think the man stood a chance in the primary, much less the general. And short of him making some crazy about face on multiple positions, he won't garner policy support from me in any way shape or form.

However, we as a society have got to get passed the dem / rep, lib / con division now more than ever before because something very big is coming and if we do not unite as a citizenry to stop it, we will all get railroaded in a way we can't even begin to imagine now. I don't think he realizes what he's gotten into.

@Fork -- Sorry, but your analysis above is (in the short-to-medium term) hopelessly naive.

The biggest predictors of Trump support in the election where:

1) Being a Republican
2) Being a sexist
3) Being a racist
4) Being an authoritarian

Such people are NOT "coming to the table in good faith" to do what's best for all Americans. They are coming to the table with the premise "I've upped mine....NOW UP YOURS!"

I agree with you that behind our electoral divisions, the Rich and Powerful are rigging the system against poor-to-middle-class Americans, but the solutions against that rigging our largely socialistic-y-ish ones, and the "I've upped mine...NOW UP YOURS!" crowd doesn't do socialistic-y-ish.

If people don't like being "lumped in" with other bigots and evildoers, then a good start would have been NOT voting for someone who expressed blatant bigotry (e.g. Trump's "Mexicans are rapists and murderers" statement, when in fact crime rates among illegal immigrants are little different from those of poor American citizens) or advocated evildoing (e.g. Trump's statement that "we have to go after terrorists families", which is a sentiment straight out of Oppressive Tyrant playbook, and a war crime").

Those are not "simple policy disputes." Those are deep differences in fundamental moral visions of the world. We won't bridge the gap in those fundamental visions simply by toning down our rhetoric. In fact, quite the opposite is true.

I think your above is predicated on one bad assumption: That people who voted for Trump agree with him, moreover those within his camp, in entirety.

With all due respect, people simply aren't that easily generalized. That is one of many takeaways here. 

The reason this is so surprising is because it doesn't fit into the neat ideological stereotypes that supposedly govern the American voter. That's a media construct and they've thoroughly proven how hopelessly divorced from reality they truly are.

It shouldn't surprise us at all that the broad brush was innacurate, it is naive of us to think it ever could be.

Furthermore, I think those on both sides declaring this to be some broad repudiation of African Americans or Latinos or Liberalism or Multiculturalism or declaring this some moral triumph over oppressive govt. have missed the point entirely. 

Re: "...one bad assumption: That people who voted for Trump agree with him, moreover those within his camp, in entirety."

I don't see exactly how I am making that assumption. My statements about the largest predictors of Trump support are based upon empirical data. Yes, there is substantial individual variation. Yes, SOME of Trump's voters were poor people who liked his (nonsensical) message about "bringing back jobs." Yes, SOME of Trump's voters were people who simply wanted to smash the status quo.  Some were F***ING HYPOCRITE Evangelical Christians who decided, for whatever reason, to forgive The Donald's multiple divorces and demonize HRC for staying married to Bill all these years.

But when you look at the broad statistics, the trends I mentioned in my original post hold true.

I just read an interesting excerpt from a book Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right, wherein the Berkeley-educated author spent several years in deeply "Red" Louisiana getting to know some people there and how they think. Here's the link:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/trump-white-blue-collar-supporters

One conclusion he reached is the majority of them believe what he calls The Deep Story (and he checked with many of them to see if his inference was true. They confirmed it was). Here is the essence of The Deep Story, stripped of the academic prettification he did:

"There is an American Dream...and fewer of us can attain it nowadays because TEH DABGUM GUBMINT IS TAKING MONEY FROM ALL THE HARD-WORKING WHITE FOLK AND GIVING IT TO THE N*GG*RS, SP*CS/W*TB*ACKS, and F***ING HADJIS."

So long as a substantial portion of the American electorate holds to that narrative, the actual problems of our society (which, in broad terms, is the Plutocrats screwing over the rest of us) cannot be addressed, because denying welfare benefits to Syrian refugees does NOTHING to address the real problems.

I'm sorry, I'm not interested in trying to reach common ground with people who feel "The Moon is Made of Green Cheese" and base their moral/political decisions on that feeling. We can talk when they're ready to admit the moon is made of rock or, at least, question their "Moon is Green Cheese" feeling and wonder why they feel that way.

I'd loved to see your data. You mentioned no trends in your first comment, there were 4 loose accusations couched in the term "predictor."

If you want to pass that on, I'll check them out and reply to it.

I think many of us are still in shock over the whole thing.
I am not expecting great things to happen. I just hope things don't get any worse.

I am expecting great things...great and terrible.  I've written them down..chapter and verse...  I hope I'm wrong....but I've got $ on my being right.