Sarte says Hell is other people. He has got something there. Hell is the ego. When we escape the ego, we escape hell. When we shut off the inner voice that is always talking back to us, we shut out the ego and we see what is left. Peace and inspiration enter. Heaven is found inside our own heart and mind this way.
Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday TomT. If He** exists and you happen to end up there I sincerely wish that you be in a room with Donald J. Trump for eternity with no escape. No sign of Hillary or Harry. Only Donald J. 24/7. Video and audio and automatic TV cameras and microphones and a stage on which Donald J. will permanently stand making speeches to just you. You will have his undivided attention. Something to look forward to just in case you don't make it to the "other" place.
This post was edited by RosieG at January 6, 2017 3:26 AM MST
I am not the kind of person to wish you harm, I only wish that you end up with someone you admire like Hillary, Reid, Pelosi, and of course Obama, it won't be long before they use you like they have others. Please ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION AND TELL ME WHO YOU WOULD WANT TO BE WITH ,OR DID I ALREADY DO IT FPR YOU? Have a great day.
I don't believe that there is an afterlife, or that it is possible for any spirit to live independently of a body.
When I read the Sufi poets, I find myself transported into another way of being, in which there may be an entity of consciousness and unconditional love, and reading the poetry fills me with that love. There might be a universal mind, perhaps dependent on the sum of all conscious and sentient beings, existing as the construct of all societies and reflected in culture and on the internet - something like Jung proposes, or Buddhism, or The Upanishads. I find the idea plausible and attractive, but I have no evidence or logic to support the idea, so I tend to leave it aside in the category of "What-if, Maybe or Perhaps." I think physicists might one day discover that time and space are infinite, if they discover what existed before the Big Bang. I believe the answer might lie in the concepts of anti-matter or something like a reverse universe that moves through a wormhole or torus and comes out as a mirror image on the other side. In this way universes could evolve and devolve endlessly.
As for hell, it is definitely something humans create and experience subjectively during life. Usually it is created by our own neurotic minds. But innocents can also be embroiled in hell, as when children become victims of natural disasters, war, or dysfunctional families. When any of the seven deadly sins becomes a habit of mind that drives destructive behaviours, it leads that person into a living hell in the form of suffering the consequences. Hate, fear, greed, toxic shame and ignorance are, in my view, the prime creators of hell. When I speak of ignorance I refer to an active choice to refuse to learn by research, observation, experience and listening to the experiences of others: I mean literally choosing to ignore the truth that is available all around us in everything we do.
This post was edited by Zenobia at January 6, 2017 3:19 AM MST
Thank you for your very thoughtful and informative answer hartfire. I very much appreciate the amount of time you devoted to giving me such a great and very comprehensive answer! Happy Friday m'dear! :) Just for conversation sake if you were stuck in a room for eternity with someone whom would you least want it to be?
At this moment now, I would least want to be in a room with Trump. But ifhe is sane, I might be able to make peace even with him. So hell for me would be someone very dangerous, with whom it would be impossible to make peace. That would probably be a sociopath having an eternal psychotic episode. To make it even more terrifying, we would not be able to speak the same language. I am trying to imagine how I would attempt to cope with that. I would have to ensure that my body language remained passive and unthreatening no matter what. That would require a Buddha-like sainthood, which alas I do not have. In the unlikely event that I could sustain peace for long enough, the person might calm down and eventually cease being aggressive. But having all eternity to practice, I would certainly have plenty of time and opportunity to perfect the technique of generating and maintaining inner peace.
There's a modern parable that may answer your question.
A young man who lived a riotous life was constantly warned by his elderly, religious uncle that there would be hell (!) to pay if he didn't mend his ways. The warnings went unheeded and eventually both men died, first the uncle and then, years later, the now not-so-young man.
When he reached the Pearly Gates he enquired as to his uncle's whereabouts and St. Peter directed him to a room in a quiet neighbourhood. There he found his uncle, still reading his Bible, being caressed by three almost-naked young women. He was both astonished and pleased and said, "Uncle, are these women your reward?"
And his uncle said, "Don't be revolting. I'm their punishment."
And a happy Saturday right back at you, Rosie. (It's already tomorrow in Australia.)
Given my druthers, I'd rather keep company with the nephew. Uncle would be too gloomy and those girls are just too energetic for an old guy like me. I'd prove to be just another form of punishment for them.
"To postulate Hell as a place of eternal punishment makes their God a monster." True that. A literal hell fire with immortal souls being tortured for eternity does not exist in the Bible, although the majority seem to think that it does.