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What is your opinion on the use of colorful language on AM?

We've previously voted and our current policies are based on what members requested. However, there have been a number of discussions about what should and shouldn't be allowed, as well as what our current policies actually mean, so we're revisiting the language guidelines. Please choose the option that best represents your feelings on cursing on answerMug. You can add details in the comments, but try to place an actual vote, so it will be counted. 
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93 comments

  • Judas Goat
    Judas Goat
    My opinion.  Ban nothing unless it's used as a personal insult, promotes pedophilia, violence, or contains graphic sexual content.
    October 11, 2016 - 8 like this

  • Zenobia
    Zenobia Judas Goat
    I agree with Goat.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • SA (SuperA)
    SA (SuperA) Judas Goat
    Agreed!
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • my2cents
    my2cents
    I think b*tch, f***, sh*t, as well as other offensive words should not be permitted.  P*ssy, d*ck, a**, sl*t, wh*re,  n*gger,  etc Do not belong in the main q&a section. We have plenty of other parts of the site where people can talk like that.


    October 11, 2016 - 6 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation my2cents
    n*gger should never be allowed, nor should f*g. Both are slurs and are almost solely used in context of hateful rhetoric.


    October 12, 2016 - 2 like this

  • my2cents
    my2cents InternationalSpaceStation
    I agree 100% they should not be allowed even in the adult section. 
    I phrased my answer to the topic of the question. 

    October 12, 2016

  • Marguerite, the Beloved
    Marguerite, the Beloved
    Words like F**k, etc. should be banned. I think we should use common sense to ban offensive material also. Like Trump's locker room rant. I wanted to vote for more than one. 
    October 11, 2016 - 3 like this

  • my2cents
    my2cents Marguerite, the Beloved
    So do you think quoting Trump's rant uncensored... should be permitted or not?  From your answer I am not sure. 
    October 12, 2016

  • Gunboat Diplomat
    Gunboat Diplomat
    I'd allow swear words but add a user setting so they can choose whether they actually see swears.
    October 11, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Just Asking
    Just Asking Gunboat Diplomat
    That's not possible without rewriting a whole lot of code. Plus, members just look for ways to get around filters with misspellings and such. It becomes a game.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Bozette
    Bozette Just Asking
    People do that now.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Bozette
    Nothing compared to what we saw on EP. But there the censoring was out of control. Even normal words could not be used in the end.
    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta SapphicHeart
    Precisely!  Censorship of any kind is open-ended. Times and definitions change.  Attitudes regarding that which is 'offensive' change.  It's better to let individuals censor their own content.
    October 12, 2016

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Transquesta
    Unfortunately doesn't always work. Some will use such 'freedom' to bully others that might be vulnerable. It won't work in an environment like a social network. My experience. 
    October 12, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta SapphicHeart
    I agree. No system is perfect, but perfection should always be the goal. To that end I suggest a user-adjustable filtering option.  I get that JA doesn't like blocking (people), but there's no reason why more sensitive users can't block certain content.
    October 12, 2016

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Transquesta
    It's all about coding. And to my experience offenders like that, will know their ways around such blocking.
    October 12, 2016

  • Randy D
    Randy D Transquesta
    Not everyone agrees with what is acceptable and what is not. A person who uses a lot of profanity when speaking may consider it normal and therefore use it when writing too. Another person might see it differently. 

    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation SapphicHeart
    That's why censorship should be content-aware. Moderators should be aware of the context the curse word is used in and reprimand if the curse word is used in a bullying context. 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart InternationalSpaceStation
    We would agree ISS. I do however also know the concerns from JA's point of view and do respect them. They have so far shown it's possible to keep a friendly environment here for most of the times. How much can we say that about EP? Not that they deserve to be any measuring point for the ultimate solution. They did a lot of censoring and things weren't any better because of it. It was an unfair system where people could gang up to bully others by use of the automated flagging systems. I prefer the methods used here very, very much better.
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation SapphicHeart
    Oh yes, I was victim of that several times. I was both a very loved and very hated member on there, and the flagging system went rampant. That's why I'm really happy to see that the moderators are actual, real people, and that they evaluate things on a case-by-case basis. Since they're already have to read all comments and such for content, I'm thinking that curse words should be allowed in any non-bullying context. Like "This is fking awesome!" is ok, but "Fk you" is not ok. I don't believe in censorship of words for the sake of censoring words. I do believe in censoring hate speech, though, regardless of what words it contains. Words like "n*gger"should be permanently banned since it's a racial slur and is never used in any context but a slur. Similar slurs like "f*g" and such shouldn't be allowed. There's a difference between swears and slurs. Slurs shouldn't be used at all because they're almost solely used as hate speech. Swears are context-dependent, and just like any other word, can be used to hurt someone or just be used normally. 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart InternationalSpaceStation
    We do agree, and we had similar experiences at EP. I have the feeling you will be liking it very much here, and it's nice to see how you already interact and contribute with your posts and comments. I for one, do appreciate this. :-)
    October 12, 2016

  • Randy D
    Randy D SapphicHeart
    I agree, SH.  
    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • President Silly vs. Sharonna
    President Silly vs. Sharonna
    I agree with Goatjumper
    October 11, 2016 - 3 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation
    I believe it should be like in EP. EP had a filter where it defaulted to censoring curse words into **** and stuff. But if you weren't offended by such, you could turn the filter off and see the word. That way if you're someone like me and have a sailor mouth and don't care if others do as well, then you should be able to curse and read cursing. Else all you'll see is a sky full of stars :)
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation
    The only ones that should be banned is "f*ck, motherf*cker, and cu*t" if you absolutely MUST ban these words. Sh*t shouldn't be banned since it's almost never, ever used as a personal insult and it's a very useful word. I say if my mom would say it, it's ok. Censorship of words doesn't make any sense, since it's all in the context. Any set of words can hurt if used correctly. That's why I believe you shouldn't place censorship, but instead consider the context of the curses. 
    October 11, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Bozette
    Bozette
    I loathe censorship.  Goat pretty well summed it up.  People use creative spelling now to skirt TOS violations.  Does anyone really not understand what people mean when they use "chit" or "phuck" or "a$$"???
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta Bozette
    Nevermind epithets like asstard. :-)
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • SA (SuperA)
    SA (SuperA) Bozette
    Agreed.
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Ozgirl 256
    Ozgirl 256
    While I'm a libertarian I do belive in self moderation ... Unfortunately many don't.  allowing any language to be used I feel will just bring down the tone of the conversation ... There are ways of saying things. .. without saying them. . As an example, one of my favourites is go ye forth and multiply ... The intent is not lost but it's also non offensive.
     It's a slippery slope ... easy to lose ones footing.
    Just my thoughts

    October 11, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta Ozgirl 256
    Agreed.  The best option is to offer a rich set of filtering/blocking tools and let freedom ring/reign. :-)
    October 12, 2016

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Ozgirl 256
    I must ask... what type of libertarian exactly are you? Libertarian left or libertarian right...
    October 12, 2016

  • Louie
    Louie
    Very rarely, the use of a "curse" word is justified by the context of what is being written. Excepting such rare use,  writers should avoid bad language since its use simply telegraphs that the writer is lacking in essential vocabulary. Censorship in this case is a red herring.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Louie

    I disagree. I've got quite the arsenal of rhetorical tools, and was perhaps the most skilled writer in my AP ELC class, always getting top marks on my essays. My verbal IQ score is 147. I remember well over 90% of the words I had learned for the SAT, and I regularly utilize them. But real life is not a rhetorical essay. Not every comment I write is for a college essay. Choosing to use the word "fuck" every once in a while neither implies that I lack vocabulary, nor does it imply I lack rhetorical skills. It simply means I don't have a stick up my ass and realize that sometimes a single curse word can get the point across far more effectively than a college-level rhetoric. Replacing the obfuscated verbosity of sesquipedalian language with a single terse curse word may not be the most elegant language, but it's the most effective and efficient language. Besides, unless you want to sound like some sort of archaic antiquated Victorian allured by alliteration, it's best to stick to colloquial rhetoric in colloquial situations--and such includes the choice of using "fuck" in one's dialogue. 

    And by the way, I didn't google a single word I used in there. Unlike what you expect of some of us sailor mouths, many of us are perfectly rhetorically competent--we just realize that there's a time and place for everything, and that includes formality of speech. And arguing with people over the internet is perhaps the least formal situations one can come across in this day and age. 

    So take that stick out of your ass and curse a little! Momma's not watching!


    October 12, 2016

  • Louie
    Louie InternationalSpaceStation
    I don't doubt your writing skills but your reading comprehension is sadly lacking. I wrote that bad language can be justified by the context. You wrote that sometimes a single curse word can get the point across. The two sentences mean essentially the same thing. 

    And by the way, your narcissistic reply trying so badly to impress did not do so. If your desire was to be seen as a pompous ass, you succeeded.

    October 12, 2016

  • JakobA
    JakobA
    Whatever bans are imposed will be easy to get around as you demonstrated by replacing vowels with *'s in your samples of 'bad' words, You will have to evaluate intent and that leads to endless arguments.

    Automated Censorship is an even worse. I remember on another forum where a lady asked why her "Class of 75" homepage suddenly had a lot of the text replaced by smileys. "Cl:-) of 75". I suppose that whichever Moral Guardian got that idea had never been taught about Balaams Ass  in sunday school ;-))

    October 11, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • JakobA
    JakobA JakobA
    ref: http://www.wordfind.com/contains/ass/
    October 12, 2016

  • Zenobia
    Zenobia

    I think abusive or derogatory "you-language" directed at a person or group should be banned - whether it includes swear words or not.

    It would be possible for the program to insert asterisks in swear words - with a toggle for users to switch off if they prefer.

    October 12, 2016

  • my2cents
    my2cents Zenobia
    Attacks are not allowed and will not be whether cursing is allowed or not.
    JA has stated many times that she does not want a filter. 

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta
    I've been pretty clear on this in times previous (here and elsewhere): I default to free speech.  Censorship based on 'offensive' content is open ended (never-ending) and places site 'policemen' at constant odds with other users.  The simpler option is to add the capacity for more sensitive users to filter or block content (as OPPOSED to users) as they prefer.  Something like a profanity filter, for instance.

    Let adults BE adults.  Adults do their own work of living, censoring, etc.


    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Karen
    Karen
    That depends on what kind of site you are striving to develop here. Do you want one where everyone is comfortable in the main areas? Or do you want one where certain language is allowed that would deter some members from enjoying the site? I'm not opposed to bad language, I actually use it myself, but I don't want it in my face every time I log on here. You have areas where pretty much anything is allowed, it should be up to the members if they want to access those areas or not.  What face do you want to present to the world? Do you want a nice friendly environment where everyone feels welcomed, or do you want an environment where some feel uncomfortable? 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • my2cents
    my2cents Karen
    I agree 100%.
    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Karen
    We should remove the political questions too. Some of those, and the way they are phrased are very offending, even without the use of cursing words. I think it's way more about content than the exact words. But that will be my take on it. That's also why it is great we have this opportunity to give in our different opinions. 
    October 12, 2016

  • Karen
    Karen SapphicHeart
    That's up to you.  This poll is about language and that's how I answered it.  The use of foul language will bring the site to a lower level of acceptance,  I'm my opinion.  If cussing is going to be allowed,  then why have a separate adult section? Just let the whole site be a free for all. If the main purpose is to offend as many members as possible then allowing that type of language is more than apropriate. If I  were a sponsor looking for a place to advertise I'd bypass one that look like it was full of unruly juveniles aiming to be as offensive as possible,  unless I  was selling an 'adult' product or a sleezy saying site. Not everyone likes or engaged in backroom talk and I feel the main areas are not the place for that. 
    October 12, 2016 - 2 like this

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Karen
    If i had to buy your premises here, I would be VERY worried by some of the political questions and the way they are phrased inside the main room, not the least some of the memes shown mentioning rape and killing. Way more worried than if a word had a few letters replaced by asterisks where all, even underage teens will know the meaning. It's a pseudo kind of censoring. Allow the words or ban them from certain areas would be an easier solution to admin.
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Karen
    Karen SapphicHeart
    I don't agree with those either,  but that's not what this question is about.  I can see that the Mug is changing and morphing, not all of it good either.  At this point I really don't care anymore,  it's useless to care about this place these days. I used to live the Mug andI did what I  could to help it,  now I  really don't care what happens to it.  It's not the same and the changes haven't all been for the better. 
    October 12, 2016

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Karen
    It will be your take on it. I think we had a period with all us new refugees coming from different places that made it a bit bumpy for a period. I think all this has settled in with new mods coming on board and getting used to the way things work here. I do think the development, largely has been for the better the last period of time. I acknowledge we might be seeing differently on this. 

    As for this question, it is very much about language, as is my comment about some of the political questions and the memes shown inside them. It is all about language and communication. It isn't about words with asterisks, you are right... But it still is about language and how we use the words. Content more than form. All my best for you, Karen. :-)

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Karen
    Karen SapphicHeart
    I also agree about the political questions.  There are too many of them and they are hateful in nature.  The same goes for the memes. I might and do laugh at them but they are still not appropriate for the main areas.  The same goes for all the trash bag questions.  Enough is enough. It gets to the point to where they are asked so many times over and over that they are considered spam. Personally,  I loved it when everyone migrated over to the Mug. I didn't view it as an intrusion as some on here did. I loved getting to injure all of you and I  loved being a mod. I  had been a mod since 2012, pretty much since the day Weylon got it up and running.  It was a bit to be in here even when the population was almost zero. Our main goal was to increase membership and make it a place everyone felt welcomed and comfortable. It's not the same place anymore. 
    October 12, 2016

  • SapphicHeart
    SapphicHeart Karen
    Everything changes over time. It's natural. The surroundings are changing, and so do we.

    I did feel welcomed by you and JA, and a few others of the "older" here. Somehow they seemed to accept and welcome me here. I try to have the same attitude towards newcomers. 

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Karen
    Karen Karen
    That was supposed to be I loved getting to KNOW all of you, not injure...sheesh!! Tried to edit but it didn't give me option to sagve....just the option to edit...why am I not surprised that didn't work either? 
    October 12, 2016

  • Louie
    Louie Karen
    Good common sense answer.
    October 12, 2016 - 2 like this