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What kinds of permanent changes or effects do you expect to see after the pandemic passes?

What are changes or developments you would like to see?

Posted - April 2, 2020

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  • 6988
    Enter the airport, bend over, get a thermometer 'placed' in yer bunghole!
      April 2, 2020 4:11 PM MDT
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  • 5391
    I’m wondering which will be more scared away from airports by that, prospective passengers or TSA workers.
      April 2, 2020 4:15 PM MDT
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  • 19942
    I don't think Big Bertha or Big Bubba care. :)
      April 2, 2020 5:45 PM MDT
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  • 1305
    I'm not sure if this is for population reduction, as the coronavirus has not yet killed as many as the flu, or another step to bring about a complete change in society.

    As Prince Phillip says the biggest concern on conservation is the population and that from where "we" are there is nothing else. 


    The truth is if you have a population that is consuming more than it can provide, then what can you do? Eugenics and population control has always been the number one concern of the elites, always has, always will be.  They are more likely to want to get rid of those who are no longer beneficial to society, than those that are, and if they want to change the system then they also want to get rid of the ones who are stuck in their ways and less easy to program or manipulate. George Bernard Shaw mentioned getting rid of the unfit and idle in one of his speeches with a humane gas, he was a fan of Hitler but mostly Stalin. Throughout history there has always been this concern from those running the show, same with Charles Darwin in his book Origin of the Species for the Natural Selection For the Favoured Races, also a member of the X-club, members of which who were obsessed with eugenics; then you have other figures Julian Huxley, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Margaret Sanger, Bill Gates etc. All the influential figures throughout history have laid down the evolution of mankind and society as a whole, something everyone would know if they had time to look.

    Karl Marx said socialism is one process towards communism. Karl marx being the author of the Communist Manifesto, and the influence for the Fabian society which became the Labour party.  If the current system crashes due to bankruptcy then it could abolish private ownership and the powers would fall into the hands of the state, or more accurately the hidden hand behind that. In the wake of 9/11 everyone was afraid, they tried to bring in the RF micro chip for everyone which failed. With the coronavirus, they are developing an app that tracks our movements, and who we have been in contact with, this is already happening in China. Contactless payment was brought in for a reason, as most people are glad to use in it, instead of the normal means of a credit card or money, in fear of catching the virus.

    Nothing in the 21st century happens without meticulous plan and reason, the virus while being very real, probably isn't the purpose in of itself, war's don't happen anymore to change a society, biological war, and psyche ops do (silent wars).  The Hegelian dialectic "a thesis, giving rise to its reaction; an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis; and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis," for which Marx was a fan, or for what the freemasons would be regarded as...





    Quotes by Karl Marx..

    My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.

    Communism begins where atheism begins.

    The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.

    Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks which will have to be nationalized and State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism. 

    We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

    The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.

    Change the economic base and you will change human beings.

    The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.

    ...the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things... They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

    There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, , etc., that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.

    Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

    We should not say that one man's hour is worth another man's hour, but rather that one man during an hour is worth just as much as another man during an hour. Time is everything, man is nothing: he is at the most time's carcass.

    Every provisional political set-up following a revolution requires a dictatorship, and an energetic dictatorship at that.

    A specter is haunting Europe - the specter of communism.

    Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.

    In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

    Both for the production on a mass scale of this communist consciousness, and for the success of the cause itself, the alteration of men on a mass scale is necessary, an alteration which can only take place in a practical movement, a revolution; this revolution is necessary, therefore, not only because the ruling class cannot be overthrown in any other way, but also because the class overthrowing it can only in a revolution succeed in ridding itself of all the muck of ages and become fitted to found society anew.

    Labor, being itself a commodity, is measured as such by the labor time needed to produce the labor-commodity. And what is needed to produce this labor-commodity? Just enough labor time to produce the objects indispensable to the constant maintenance of labor, that is, to keep the worker alive and in a condition to propagate his race. The natural price of labor is no other than the wage minimum.

    The unity is brought about by force .

    The redeeming feature of war is that it puts a nation to the test. As exposure to the atmosphere reduces all mummies to instant dissolution, so war passes supreme judgment upon social systems that have outlived their vitality.

    What change I'd like to see, would be people waking up a little bit to what is going on around them, because we are always in a position where we have to look to our governments in times like this because we are afraid.  You cannot install fear in cattle, they always have to be controlled with physical means, but humans, you can control them by mental means, make them afraid to die, and they are putty in your hands. "Excitus Acta Probat."





    This post was edited by kjames at April 4, 2020 3:58 PM MDT
      April 2, 2020 7:10 PM MDT
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  • 5391

    As far as population reduction, COVID-19 hasn’t killed nearly as many as childhood starvation (over 15000 per day, every day, every year; WHY isn’t THAT on the news?) and probably won’t; and yet the population of humans continues to rise. Surely, many more will succumb, but not enough in total to realign our population imperatives. This isn’t the Black Death. But the impact will touch all facets of society, at least for a while. Let’s hope we gain some wisdom in the process. The gist of my question here.
    The rest, with respect to all of the ideologies you put forth, would still remain in play regardless, so long as there are those in positions of power with such designs. And there are many, overtly and covertly. But I suggest they seldom work in cooperation with either each other or a specific plan or timeline. It’s about appetite for power amid timely opportunism. Suffering of the vulnerable is a tool, an opportunity and an inevitable by-product. This is why it is good to be rich. And it is also how the parties of faith  prey so successfully on the desperate, the ignorant and the disenfranchised. No bigger, more obvious, more dangerous scam than religion. None more successfully manipulated by powers-that-be.. 
    But there is nothing new in any of that. Croakings of doom are a bit premature, in my view, life will continue. I would say there are still a sizable core of “woke” humanity who can affect the course of our history to a mutual advantage, the question remains how the contest with the other factions plays out. 
    We both recognize the myriad perils of too many people, the masses of the idle and indigent weigh upon our collective success and future as a species. Can we address the problem and still retain our humanity?

    Ok, let’s see if any kind of new social “awakening” becomes evident, I suspect a majority will only embrace what nourishes their old biases. 

      April 2, 2020 8:08 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    Top Man ...xx
      April 2, 2020 9:33 PM MDT
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  • 1305

    If people do not think that the people on top are concerned about population growth and a means to control that, then they haven't read or listened enough.  It is common sense that if people are outnumbering produce then something needs to be done, it follows along the rationality you like Don. However, considering the current numbers of Covid 19 deaths, like I said no way match those of the flu, and as you rightly say do not match those of starvation, and that you don’t expect it will realign our population, then why the lockdown? Or at least why the lockdown for those who are not classed as being vulnerable?

    Other reasons for viruses could be that there is a lot of money to make from big pharma.

    However, I think it's more than that and this will be about societal reform.  Throughout history man has gone through a tremendous amount of societal changes, but no less so than the 21st century, if you look at the beginning of the century until now, and if you have read anything of Karl Marx, you will see the implementing of the same ideas he put across, and many of these came through such processes such as the Frankfurt school, the Tavistock institute, and the United Nations.

    And Karl Marx's teachings can be seen in women's rights to work, and so literally putting the children in the hands of the state from birth. It can also be seen in the promotion of a more freedom of sex and a lessening on family values, the sexual revolution, the lessening of Christian values and promotion of atheism, that there is no eternal law, no moral right or wrong.

    Aldous Huxley also wrote about these things, and he was the grandson of Thomas Huxley (Darwins Bulldog), his brother being eugenicist Julian Huxley.  Also in what George Orwell wrote about regarding Big Brother and the invasion of privacy, and Orwell was a student of Aldous Huxley.  Darwin was also obsessed with eugenics as his books show, his grandfather was Erasmus Darwin a 33rd degree freemason, who gave him the idea of evolution in the first place, and you cannot be a freemason if you are an atheist. So if a person was to take an interest in the main influences throughout history, they would see that yes our evolution of thought is being guided by an outside influencing force.

    As for money, and being rich? ALL money is simply a paper IOU, a "promise to pay the bearer on demand," and this is printed out of thin air. The economy (or labour forces) is based on how much money is worth in its circulation, which is why you have two opposite political parties, which is part of the Hegelian principle, one always promising to spend, spend, spend, and so putting more money into circulation but devaluing labour at the same time, and putting future generations into debt; and then the other one comes in and tightens the purse strings, this is less about money, which has always been a scam, (see the banking system the biggest scam in history, far bigger than religion) it is about power, and that power to control the labour force, or the plebs, or slaves (whatever you want to call us). We work on debt and discharge, that’s all you can work on when there is nothing of any worth to back money, like gold and silver use to.

    Hence, given the above I think it odd to think that a people's cannot not work together to become a dominating world power, when throughout history there has been big, and successful civilisations that have wanted to dominate. Egypt never disappeared it just turned into Greece and Rome. Rome never disappeared it just turned into Western civilisation, which is why you still have the Roman goddess Athena/Minerva on the capitol (head) building, the personification of wisdom, merchants and war, she is seen with the fasces which are also seen the US congress chambers, which again come from ancient Rome. 

    This is also why you have the Washington Monument which is an Egyptian obelisk representing Osiris penis, inside the vesical Pisces of Isis, reflecting the As Above, So Below in the water in front of it. The US predominantly founded by Freemasons. It is no secret that George Washington was a freemason and had achieved apotheosis, (The Great Work), the Washington Square Arch is a memorial to him, which is a replica of the Arch of Titus, which was built in order to celebrate the destruction of the second temple of Jerusalem on the 9th of Av.

    So although you may believe religion is a big scam you can see that it has intertwined throughout history. Freemasons often follow their heritage back to Cain who was the first builder or master mason, and Tubal Cain the first blacksmith. And religion is just one tool, we can know this by just looking at how many millions have been killed in the more modern era under communist regimes, 60 to 110 million, do we call that progress? 

    And religion hasn't gone away for this new aeon, the United Nations which is the platform for ALL countries, promote the new age religion under the Lucis Trust.

    As you say, life will continue, but to say that there hasn't been great alterations or social reform between 1900 and today, is to be ignorant. World war 1 and 2 resulted in the development of the League of Nations, what eventually became the United Nations.  So despite what people might like to think, our life doesn’t mosey along with some random course, it has always been directed by a few.

    As the great Chinese philosopher Confucius (551-479 BC) said:

    ‘Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.’

    This post was edited by kjames at April 4, 2020 3:58 PM MDT
      April 3, 2020 10:17 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    Ok I just had a sizable response to your post suddenly disappear. My now raging disgust prevents me from redoing it. Fk it. 

    Thanks for your post. This post was edited by Don Barzini at April 4, 2020 3:58 PM MDT
      April 3, 2020 2:34 PM MDT
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  • 1305
    That's happened to me before Don, and yes it is extremely frustrating.
      April 4, 2020 2:45 PM MDT
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  • 5391
    Let it be clear I appreciate the thought you put into your response. 
      April 4, 2020 2:57 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    Another divient like his son in the video I see........:(
      April 2, 2020 10:03 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    A.I.being rolled out globally ...Ever home having Goverment cameras in every room....Humans being recycled  into our own food chain and maybe called Solent Green....
    It will be untold wealth for a few so called leaders and the army to police the new police state for the masses....
     
    That film ,George Orwells 1984 classic is not that far away from becoming real....
    Police in England can take your phone and track every where you have been.......turn off google time line and turn of your phone when not making calls...
    don't put your mobile phone number on any official documents......
    All data you give about yourself is sold on ,no matter what you may think about what they promise....
      April 2, 2020 9:47 PM MDT
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  • 1305
    And don't agree to a smart meter :)
      April 4, 2020 2:47 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    I've read only last week that there are some real dodgy things including deceit about how people's bills are made up...
      April 4, 2020 3:07 PM MDT
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  • 1305
    It's worse than that, they collect data that let's them know the make and model of every appliance in your home, this in the end will allow them to target you with advertisements and insurances for those products. Also, included in the data is the ability to know what TV programme you are watching. They also know when you are home and where you are out.

    If someone hijacks the system they can turn off everyone's gas and electric supply, even your own government could. Individual meters can also be hijacked and that person can then collect all the data that they need to know about you, what you have in your home, and when you are in and when you are out.

    It matches the description of a surveillance device, but they don't let people know these things in their sales pitch, and that means if you have accepted one of these and have not been told the full nature of the device and what they intend to do with that data, then the contract is null and void, and for your own privacy rights you'll need to find someone to remove the device.


    This post was edited by kjames at April 4, 2020 3:59 PM MDT
      April 4, 2020 3:30 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    Top advice and why people are signing up for it is beyond me...there is another problem that they don't work in all areas of the country and the first ones they brought out are really unreliable ...
    What is the world comming to...How do you stop governments and big companies  lying and parisiting on people...


      April 4, 2020 3:50 PM MDT
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  • 52903

      I’ve been thinking about this exact concept for a week or so. 

      Similar to the way that going through security at the world’s airports changed drastically after a single show/bomber tried to smuggle liquid components aboard an aircraft, there will be certain ways normal life will never return to normal again. We’re taking off our shoes and dumping our toiletries and water bottles into the rubbish bin at passenger terminals, for the rest of the century, we might be standing six feet from each other and wearing masks and working from home eating ourselves into obese oblivion and carrying wipies and hoarding supplies and having all the news programs hijacked with fake “breaking news” reports every ten minutes for twenty-four hours daily. 

    :(
      April 2, 2020 10:15 PM MDT
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  • 5391

    Good points, Randy. All of this over-the-top sanitary practice business rings like a germaphobe’s wet dream. But maybe not the worst thing, all things considered. Time to pick up some stock in Purell and Lysol products.

    It might lead to more conscientious (or paranoid) personal interaction, and higher standards of hygiene, can’t find fault in those. But as I understand it, the long term cost may be a weakening of our immunities toward the minor pathogens we encounter and presently overcome without much fuss. Future generations may bear this out.
    My thoughts lean toward a growing surplus of available commercial office space, as more employers realize the benefits of having their employees work from home, and more classes of employees demanding it. Think of the business savings of not having to lease office space, obtain office furniture, and retain in-house tech support. The demand for paid daycare for the children of employees would also decrease. We may be seeing the demise of the traditional “cube city” office culture, at least to some extent. 

    I appreciate your response. 

    This post was edited by Don Barzini at April 4, 2020 3:59 PM MDT
      April 3, 2020 5:17 AM MDT
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  • 52903

      I myself saw for the first time the reality of how much work can be done remotely, and you’re right; employees and managers and owners and especially stockholders are going to explore ways to capitalize on the lessons learned here. Look at how the education community had to rearrange itself for this, and light bulbs might go off in someone’s head as they look at it too. Where might that lead? Less busing, less school-related traffic on the roads as fewer parents shuttle kids back and forth, less (face-to-face) bullying, lower costs of all the infrastructure needed to run brick-and-mortar schools, fewer problems of addressing classroom discipline. All the video conferencing that already took place before COVID has now exploded even more extensively.
      Another thing that was already happening on a slightly increasing scale is our own actions that weaken the human immune system, as you mentioned. The use of anti-bacterial this and anti-bacterial that was steadily creeping into more and more areas of everyday living, and many embraced it as the best thing since sliced bar soap, ignoring its potentially negative applications. With COVID, we’re going to sanitize ourselves to the point that air can’t touch our skin without damaging it. 
      For someone like me, the loss of human touch is the worst part of all this. I’m not a touchy-geeky type in that I hug and seek hugs, far from it, but the way we have to cringe from each other and avoid each other and fear each other is ridiculous. It’s almost as if the beginning stages of the AIDS outbreak in the early 80s caused shockwaves in certain populations and certain risk behaviors morphed into all populations and all physical interactive behaviors. 
      I’m rambling now, so I’ll get off the soapbox. Oh, it’s empty, just like the shelves at the stores. The hoarders must have snuck in and cleaned it out while I was ranting . . . 
    ~
      April 3, 2020 5:40 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    These are just the kinds of things I’d hoped would be brought up. At least light the fire of discussion
      April 3, 2020 6:04 AM MDT
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    7268
    I'm waiting to see what happens if the food runs out. No one is working and replenishing items that are being consumed right now. 
      April 2, 2020 10:24 PM MDT
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  • 1305
    They are asking for people to volunteer on the farms over here in the UK. The workers they normally employ come over from Poland, but of course with the lockdown that isn't possible, there is enough food, but if it isn't picked, packaged, and brought to the shops, then it will be left to rot.
      April 4, 2020 2:53 PM MDT
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  • 32527
    Jobs coming back from China and over countries.   Making our medicine and other medical equipment in USA. 

    Better hygiene in more people. 
      April 3, 2020 5:48 AM MDT
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  • 5391

    I think the shortages in critical items that we depend on foreign sources for will lead to a rethinking of how we can become at least more competitive domestically. Rethink the tax codes, labor laws, and business practices to enhance domestic production that has for decades flowed overseas. Especially for medical supplies. 

    If there is gonna be a world economy, it has to be set in a level playing field for all countries. A big wish, but perhaps more impetus for it now. 

      April 3, 2020 6:01 AM MDT
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