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  • 13005

    The first element, vibratory frequency was born.   It was sound.  Sound created a "stirring" of the primordial cauldron which is the Mind of God.

    And the WORD was made FLESH.

    This post was edited by Shar to the Rona at December 28, 2016 9:46 AM MST
      December 28, 2016 9:35 AM MST

  • 2476
    No, energy came first. Without it, no life. 
      December 28, 2016 10:36 AM MST

  • 824
    Thank you for your answer Sharonna.
      December 28, 2016 3:28 PM MST

  • 2586
    Does Watchtower get all their 'scientific facts and information '  from the Discovery Institute?

    https//en.  This post was edited by Kittigate at December 28, 2016 10:50 AM MST
      December 28, 2016 9:45 AM MST

  • 824
    Don't think so but if that's what you want to surmise. 
    I really expected to get a specific and clear answer from someone of your superior intellect and self described reasonableness as you and your posse seem to like to infer that anyone that doesn't agree with you as less reasonable.

    Which scientist do you agree with, one from the links I provided or someone else?
      December 28, 2016 3:35 PM MST

  • 2586
    I don't have superior intellect;  just awesome. 

    I'll get back to you later -I gotta do some thimking,  see if there's anything new comes to mind.
      December 28, 2016 3:58 PM MST

  • 824
    Now that you've accused JW's of being liars in another thread I understand about your Discovery Institute remark. The Bibliography at the end shows where the quotes are from:
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    (Box) How Fast Can a Cell Reproduce? 15. Origin of Mitochondria and Hydrogenosomes, by William F. Martin and Mikl ´ os M ¨ uller, 2007, p. 21. 16. Brain Matters—Translating Research Into Classroom Practice, by Pat Wolfe, 2001, p. 16. 3. Where Did the Instructions Come From? 17. Research News Berkeley Lab, (http: // LSD-molecular-DNA.html), article: “Molecular DNA Switch Found to Be the Same for All Life,” contact: Lynn Yarris, p. 1 of 4; accessed 2/10/2009. 18. Life Script, by Nicholas Wade, 2001, p. 79. 19. Bioinformatics Methods in Clinical Research, edited by Rune Matthiesen, 2010, p. 49. 20. Scientific American, “Computing With DNA,” by Leonard M. Adleman, August 1998, p. 61. 21. Nano Letters, “Enumeration of DNA Molecules Bound to a Nanomechanical Oscillator,” by B. Ilic, Y. Yang, K. Aubin, R. Reichenbach, S. Krylov, and H. G. Craighead, Vol. 5, No. 5, 2005, pp. 925, 929. 22. Genome—The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters, by Matt Ridley, 1999, pp. 7-8. 23. Essential Cell Biology, Second Edition, by Bruce Alberts, Dennis Bray, Karen Hopkin, Alexander Johnson, Julian Lewis, Martin Raff, Keith Roberts, and Peter Walter, 2004, p. 201. 24. Molecular Biology of the Cell, Fourth Edition, by Bruce Alberts et al, 2002, p. 258. 25. No Ordinary Genius—The Illustrated Richard Feynman, edited by Christopher Sykes, 1994, photo with no page number supplied; note caption. a. New Scientist, “Second Genesis —Life, but Not As We Know It,” by Bob Holmes, March 11, 2009, (http:// mg20126990.100) accessed 3/11/2009. 26. The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence—A Philosophical Inquiry, by David Lamb, 2001, p. 83. 27. Associated Press Newswires, “Famous Atheist Now Believes in God,” by Richard N. Ostling, December 9, 2004. (Box) A Molecule That Can Be Read and Copied 28. Intelligent Life in the Universe, Second Edition, by Peter Ulmschneider, 2006, p. 125. 4. Has All Life Descended From a Common Ancestor? 29. Biology and Philosophy, “The Concept of Monophyly: A Speculative Essay,” by Malcolm S. Gordon, 1999, p. 335. 30. New Scientist, “Uprooting Darwin’s Tree,” by Graham Lawton, January 24, 2009, p. 34. 31. New Scientist, January 24, 2009, pp. 37, 39. 32. Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin, “Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology,” by David M. Raup, January 1979, p. 23. 33. Archaeology, “The Origin of Form Was Abrupt Not Gradual,” by Suzan Mazur, October 11, 2008, ( interviews/newman.html), accessed 2/23/2009. 34. In Search of Deep Time—Beyond the Fossil Record to a New History of Life, by Henry Gee, 1999, p. 23. 35. Biology and Philosophy, p. 340. 36. National Geographic, “Fossil Evidence,” November 2004, p. 25. 37. The Evolutionists—The Struggle for Darwin’s Soul, by Richard Morris, 2001, pp. 104-105. (Box) What About Human Evolution? 38. The Human Lineage, by Matt Cartmill and Fred H. Smith, 2009, Preface, p. xi. 39. Fossils, Teeth and Sex—New Perspectives on Human Evolution, by Charles E. Oxnard, 1987, Preface, pp. xi, xii. a. From Lucy to Language, by Donald Johanson and Blake Edgar, 1996, p. 22. b. Anthropologie, XLII/1, “Palaeodemography and Dental Microwear of Homo Habilis From East Africa,” by Laura M. Mart´ ─▒nez, Jordi Galbany, and Alejandro P ´ erez-P ´ erez, 2004, p. 53. c. In Search of Deep Time—Beyond the Fossil Record to a New History of Life, p. 22. 40. Critique of Anthropology, Volume 29(2), “Patenting Hominins—Taxonomies, Fossils and Egos,” by Robin Derricourt, 2009, pp. 195-196, 198. 41. Nature, “A New Species of Great Ape From the Late Miocene Epoch in Ethiopia,” by Gen Suwa, Reiko T. Kono, Shigehiro Katoh, Berhane Asfaw, and Yonas Beyene, August 23, 2007, p. 921. 42. Acta Biologica Szegediensis, Volume 46(1-2), “New Findings—New Problems in Classification of Hominids,” by Gyula Gyenis, 2002, pp. 57, 59. 43. New Scientist, “A Fine Fossil—But a Missing Link She’s Not,” by Chris Bead, May 30, 2009, p. 18. 44. The Guardian, London, “Fossil Ida: Extraordinary Find Is ‘Missing Link’ in Human Evolution,” by James Randerson, May 19, 2009, (http:// may/19/ida-fossil-missing-link), accessed 8/25/2009. 45. New Scientist, May 30, 2009, pp. 18-19. 46. Critique of Anthropology, Volume 29(2), p. 202. 47. Science and Justice, Vol. 43, No. 4, (2003) section, Forensic Anthropology, “Anthropological Facial ‘Reconstruction’—Recognizing the Fallacies, ‘Unembracing’ the Errors, and Realizing Method Limits,” by C. N. Stephan, p. 195. 48. The Human Fossil Record—Volume Three, by Ralph L. Holloway, Douglas C. Broadfield, and Michael S. Yuan, 2004, Preface xvi. 49. Scientific American Mind, “Intelligence Evolved,” by Ursula Dicke and Gerhard Roth, August/September 2008, p. 72. 50. American Journal of Physical Anthropology, “How Neandertals Inform Human Variation,” by Milford H. Wolpoff, 2009, p. 91. 51. Conceptual Issues in Human Modern Origins Research, Editors G. A. Clark and C. M. Willermet, 1997, pp. 5, 60. a. Wonderful Life—The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History, by Stephen Jay Gould, 1989, p. 28.
      January 17, 2017 7:24 AM MST

  • 2586
    First things first I did not accuse JWs of being liars; you are not being honest. 
    I said I have never known JWS to be liars.
      January 17, 2017 7:32 AM MST

  • 824
    Sure looks that way to me in your #6 and #8 comments?
    Would  I find as much 'truth' in these links as there was in the last few links you provided for me yesterday in the question 'Do you think God l/the universe...'?

    8 JWs perhaps should swear an oath to always tell the truth,  the whole truth and nothing but the truth;  -if it would  do any good. 
      January 17, 2017 8:24 AM MST

  • 2586
    That's a complete quote from somewhere;  I can't make just part of a quote. My emphasis would be 'the whole truth ' for you.
      January 17, 2017 8:35 AM MST

  • 1562
    I wasn't there at the time, so I can't speak from personal experience.

    But I suspect God was definitely involved.

    And if He was, it's unlikely that science will ever figure that out---His existence and operation are beyond their purview.

      December 28, 2016 10:53 AM MST

  • 1562
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  • 1650
    I really don't know, But man will sure end it if we keep going the way we are, you would think we would be  working towards peace, but the world leaders spend more and more on weapons that can destroy life as we know it.
      December 28, 2016 1:47 PM MST

  • 824
    Thank you for your humble answer TomThumb. Your comment reminds me of another link:
      December 28, 2016 3:38 PM MST

  • 3362
      December 28, 2016 8:27 PM MST

  • 824
    Well thank you for your answer. 
      December 28, 2016 9:03 PM MST

  • 822
    That's a very good question.  One thing is clear, capture and utilization of energy is required for the first life to carry out the functions for cell maintenance and, ultimately, self-replication.  Energy is captured by chlorophyll which is, itself, produced by the cell using enzymes.  Enzymes are produced by genes which are composed of nucleic acids.  The probability of one of these genes falling together by accident is at best one in one trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion.  That is for just one enzyme.  Many are involved in the capture and utilization of energy in the cell.  As a biologist I find the scenario on the origin of life that I was taught in college very unconvincing.  Also see, The Language of God by Dr. Frances Collin who headed the Genome Project. This post was edited by CallMeIshmael at December 30, 2016 12:15 AM MST
      December 28, 2016 8:58 PM MST

  • 824
    Nice answer, thank you very much. The article says similar:
      December 28, 2016 9:02 PM MST