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What should be the penalty for parents who don't get their kids vaccinated?

Posted - February 17, 2019

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  • 7919
    Your argument doesn't make sense. Yes, some doctors abuse children. Does that mean all doctors cannot be trusted? Some parents abuse children, does that mean all parents should not have children? Some drivers speed. Does that mean we should not allow anyone to drive? Some people commit internet crimes. Should we shut off the world wide web?

    This is why your argument is illogical. 

    Most people argue vaccines are necessary and cite doctors and scientists. Well, as you've so aptly pointed out, some doctors abuse children. I might as well create an argument that says we should not use any data presented by doctors or scientists because some of them abuse children. That would be illogical though. Just as your argument was. 
      February 18, 2019 12:25 AM MST
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  • 7280
    Of course your think my argument doesn't make sense---it's based on the implied argument you make in this whole thread about your position on this subject.

    I'm simply taking your position and showing that the basic assumptions for your syllogism are incorrectly extended propositions---thus negating your conclusions. 

    Forests and trees require different gestalts





      February 20, 2019 12:14 PM MST
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  • As you said already, you have medical reasons for not vaccinating your children, therefore the penalty at least here in this state would not apply.

    It's not about pushing values or beliefs onto others. It's not a "Belief" that vaccinations have saved many children from diseases. It's a medical FACT.    Just read about Polio.  "Belief"---  give me a friggin' break with that malarkey.  
      February 17, 2019 3:55 PM MST
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  • 7919
    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    -Martin Niemöller

    As I expressed, with this particular vaccine, there are medical reasons why we don't do it. That isn't true of all the vaccines. Furthermore, I don't care if I'm exempt from a penalty. It isn't right. The government should not have domain over my body or my children's bodies. If I don't stand up and say I disagree, even though I would not be penalized, then I stand for nothing. I wholly disagree with the premise. 
      February 17, 2019 7:58 PM MST
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  • Well then let your children play with open bottles of medicine, too. How dare anyone tell you to "Keep out of reach of children". Sickening.
      February 17, 2019 8:06 PM MST
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  • 7919
    I'm kind of at a loss for words. There's no point in having a discussion if you legitimately believe these two things are the same.
      February 17, 2019 8:16 PM MST
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  • That's fine, I can't deal with you.  It's sickening.
      February 17, 2019 8:17 PM MST
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  • 5835
    If you can't win the discussion, change the subject. If that doesn't work then switch to personal insults. Except when discussing science. Then you go directly to personal insults.
      February 18, 2019 11:52 AM MST
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  • 7280
    The argumentum ad hominem is weak---and always a logical fallacy of relevance; but it is not necessarily an erroneous inference in real life.
      February 26, 2019 11:39 AM MST
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  • 7280
    Hey, don't you have to respect the rights of others whose opinions push their values and beliefs on you according to the TOS?

    And besides, you said you always have the option to leave the country.
      February 17, 2019 4:07 PM MST
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  • 7919
    I respect the rights of others to have an opinion. If I didn't, this discussion wouldn't be here. That's not even close to the same thing as forcing others to adopt or take part in a belief system. 
      February 17, 2019 8:07 PM MST
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  • It is not a "BELIEF", it's a medical FACT.  Get it straight.
      February 17, 2019 8:12 PM MST
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  • 7919
    The "facts" vary based on the source. Either you haven't read any medical literature or you simply choose to believe an alternate version of the "truth." 
      February 17, 2019 8:18 PM MST
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  • LMAO as if anti vax itself isnt an alternative version of the "truth." like what ???? what kind of mental gymnastics does it take to come to these conclusions. 
      February 17, 2019 9:24 PM MST
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  • your child being allergic to the vaccine is EXACTLY why the ones who CAN get it SHOULD get it 

    why is that so hard for people to understand 
      February 17, 2019 4:33 PM MST
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  • 7919
    I understand that completely, which is why I think my opinion carries more credence. Even knowing someone else's unvaccinated child could get mine sick, I still would not force them to vaccinate. Why is THAT so hard for people to understand? I respect personal freedoms. I will take care of my own children and I expect others to do the same. 
      February 17, 2019 8:09 PM MST
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  • i guess not everyone is willing to put their child at risk like you are. 

    i agree that personal freedoms are important  but not when others are put into danger. especially when it's ignorant people who blatantly deny science. 
      February 17, 2019 8:20 PM MST
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  • 7919
    Chances of Dying from...
    Alcohol or Drugs: 1/34
    A car accident: 1/77
    Firearms: 1/77
    A fall: 1/83
    Fire: 1/821
    Measles: 1/1000 (if contracted)

    I'm putting my children at greater risk by putting them in a car. I'm putting my children at greater risk by letting them run, play, and climb. I'm putting them at greater risk by living in a home that can burn down. Exponentially. 

    There are risks associated with literally everything we do. Statistically, measles are the least of our worries. 

    https://www.cars.com/articles/are-the-odds-ever-in-your-favor-car-crashes-versus-other-fatalities-1420682154567/
    https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
      February 17, 2019 8:32 PM MST
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  • the statistics are prob that low because of....


    vaccinations 
      February 17, 2019 8:36 PM MST
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  • 7280
    Zing....
      February 17, 2019 8:38 PM MST
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  • 7919
    You could argue that. Before the MMR, it was 3/ 1000. That was also at a time where medicine wasn't what it is today, nor was hygiene, but I have no problem giving you that one for the sake of picking battles. Even if vaccines have reduced it from 3/1000 to 1/1000, all sorts of everyday activities are still a whole lot more dangerous. 
      February 17, 2019 8:40 PM MST
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  • there are a lot of  easily preventable diseases a child could die of besides measles 

    tetanus, diphtheria, meningitis, polio, pertussis, hepatitis

    yeah they're pretty rare but they're rare because most people are vaccinated. unforunately tho it seems like more and more people think they are more educated and informed than doctors and scientists and are deciding to not vaccinate their children
      February 17, 2019 8:56 PM MST
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  • 7919
    Earlier, I said it was a discussion for a person to have with their doctor, not the government. Ergo, I was not suggesting people should ignore what medical professionals have to say. I was simply saying it's not the government's business to get involved. 

    There are risks associated with everything. There are risks associated with not being vaccinated. There are risks associated with getting vaccines. It should not be the government's place to dictate what happens with my body and which risks I choose to accept. Again, if you want vaccines for yourself, then more power to you. If you want to vaccinate your own children one day, more power to you. I'm not taking away your right to choose. I'm saying you should have the choice. As should everyone else. 
      February 18, 2019 12:15 AM MST
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  • CPS
      February 17, 2019 3:19 PM MST
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  • 32527
    Just no public schooling without vaccines unless medical reason.
      February 17, 2019 4:00 PM MST
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