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Discussion » Questions » Religion and Spirituality » Is the topic and imagery of Jesus Christ's crucifixion too graphic to discuss with children? Too graphic for main forums? Inappropriate?

Is the topic and imagery of Jesus Christ's crucifixion too graphic to discuss with children? Too graphic for main forums? Inappropriate?

Posted - July 16, 2019

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  • 5391
    Yes, my mistake in confusing the two films in the process of posting my comment. Please forgive my oversight. I was addressing Gibson‘s “Passion”, though both films portray factually unsubstantiated events.
    I do agree the Scorcese film was the better of the two. 

    We could go on ad nauseum about the manifest immorality and wickedness found in holy books, but suffice it to say fear and revulsion are rendered far more powerful forces by the parties of god than any promise of grace and beauty. 
      July 16, 2019 6:17 PM MDT
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  • 7919
    Our rules aren't dictated by religious morals. They're based upon common decency and having respect for those around you. Your image depicted a demon raping a man. Does the fact that it's "art" make it less graphic? Less sexual? Less violent? Does the canvas magically transform the image into something appropriate for a general audience? No. 

    I went out of my way to find an educated and informed opposing viewpoint before I made that removal. I chose to seek someone out who I believed would oppose me and provide an academic argument against mine. I chose to be mindful and think critically about my actions and those they impact. I didn't have to. I chose to out of respect for you and the other members here. I wish more people would do the same. 
      July 16, 2019 11:49 PM MDT
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  • 4631
    Personally, I would hope so.

    I remember once, when travelling in Florence, I wandered into the cloisters of a medieval nunnery.
    I chanced on an 18th century bronze statue of a woman crucified with ropes on a cross -

    Image result for statue

    It was similar to this image, except the figure was completely naked.

    I was shocked to the point of nauseous at the sight of it.

    It made me realise how desensitised I'd become to the sight of Christ's Crucifixion.
    And the odd part about that is that I grew up in an atheist household where there were no such images.
    I had to have seen it only in passing in art textbooks and old films on TV.

    To be desensitised does not seem to me like a good thing.
      July 16, 2019 12:11 PM MDT
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  • 2836
    I love this. You are so correct.  
    I've had discussions regarding the violent content with others including my dearest Twinkle. 
    It's always been thought that to draw followers to Christ, the emphasis should be on love and redemption, not violence and threats oif violence.

    That aside, Nothing is more gruesome than religion. Parent should stop worrying about the video games their children play and be more concerned about the levels of vsicousness portrayed and condoned in the most holiest of books
      July 16, 2019 12:33 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    I agree with what you say here: "It's always been thought that to draw followers to Christ, the emphasis should be on love and redemption, not violence and threats oif(sic) violence."

    It's best to start with love and mercy, but eventually one has to come face to face with the concept of a "just" God.
      July 16, 2019 3:17 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Interestingly enough, a short (let's say 15 second film of a happily married couple) engaging in sexual intercourse by which they show their love for each other, heal each other, forgive each other, and make life worth living for each other (why, incidentally, the Catholic Church calls it a "Sacrament," i.e., a sign instituted by Christ to give grace) may well engender a more disturbing reaction in the short term than visuals of the suffering and death of Christ.

    So I think whether it is "too graphic" or "inappropriate" depends on the audience and the reason and perhaps whether there is an appropriate "heads up" to those who are about to see what is to be presented.

    Personally, aside from meditation purposes, I am sufficiently aware of the "details" of the passion and death of Christ.

    As to the 15 second film, I don't have to watch it---I can easily be a participant in the real action it reveals.

    Edit---replaced two words This post was edited by tom jackson at July 17, 2019 11:12 AM MDT
      July 16, 2019 12:47 PM MDT
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  • 2836
    I like that you put "Edit---*****************" at the end of your comments when you make edits. 
    I need to do that 
      July 16, 2019 12:58 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    I don't always. 

    Sometimes I want to be clear that my original thought was complete and that an edit did not substantially change anything.

    Not really sure why I do that---probably something to do with my internal mental housekeeping? 
      July 16, 2019 1:02 PM MDT
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  • 2836
    Because sometimes delve into controversy, when I change a coment because of spelling, I have been accuse of changing the comment. 
    I now do screenshots if that ever comes up if I suspect that may happen. Thank you for your repsonse to that
      July 16, 2019 1:16 PM MDT
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  • 7919

    We have a diverse group of people—a community. Each person has a unique background and preferences. Now, in everyday life, people take that into account before they speak. We generally don’t go into the office and talk about our drunken binges or debaucheries. We don’t curse like sailors in front of our grandparents and elders. True, some of us do, but these are examples of how most of us segment our content for the audience we have.

    Online, it’s harder to see who the audience is, but they’re there none the less. And, in order to facilitate discussions and hopefully make everyone comfortable here, we ask you to segment your content for the audience. That means you keep the general areas clean and save the more colorful stuff for venues like adultMug and Free-for-All. If you aren’t sure if what you want to post is appropriate for a general audience (we use PG-13 as a general guideline because most people can identify with it), then don’t post it in a general area. If you have to stop and consider whether something would be allowed or not, chances are, it will be removed.

    It’s impossible to write policies which cover every possible circumstance. No site has that. Not even the Goliaths like Facebook. Every site has moderators, and sometimes, the moderators have to make judgement calls. It’s a fact of life. The best way to avoid having your content become a judgement call is to be mindful when you post—either don’t post questionable content or put it someplace where it’s going to be allowed regardless.

    You have all made the choice to be here and that’s no small thing. I love the diversity of our community and appreciate that there are so many opinions, cultures, and backgrounds represented here. I’d like to keep it that way and I hope you guys feel the same. Let’s be considerate and take personal ownership for what we post—keep the colorful and questionable stuff out of the main sections.

    Is the image you posted acceptable here? Yes. Is it possible a more graphic image would be removed? Also yes. Again, if you question if it would be allowed, it's better not to post it. 

      July 16, 2019 11:23 PM MDT
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  •   July 17, 2019 2:28 PM MDT
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  • 3684
    Properly done, I am pretty sure most young children can accept that long, long ago people were executed in horrible ways, and crucifixion was one. It's not the fact of the execution that's the problem, but how graphic the illustrations. Church and religious book images tend to be a bit sanitised, and for one thing allow Jesus to wear a loincloth, but children do have good imaginations and would soon realise it is a terrible way to die.

    I do not accept going too far and giving merely gratuitous horror-pictures, not because it might frighten children because it might lead to them accepting gratuitous violence is somehow normal: they see and hear enough in the news and films.

    The history-books I remember when I was about 10, in primary-school, showed some pretty gruesome torture and execution scenes, courtesy of contemporary wood-cuts. I do not recall nightmares from them; but they did fuel a salacious fascination for the subject. Luckily I grew out of that in my teens, perhaps when I began to learn of similarly cruel atrocities in our own times.


    Something other contributions to this thread show, is rather darker aspect: hypocracy and censorship for dubious motives.

    If you are going to teach children the story of Jesus, even just to understand the faith irrespective of your or their actually believing in it, you cannot avoid the Crucifixion, and you must answer their questions directly and honestly - but only you can judge the level of detail and understanding appropriate to your audience at the time. Children are more analytical than many adults think, and soon spot cant and evasion. They have their adult lives to come, in which to lose analytical skills and gain those of evasion and self-interest.

    It's not for the would-be censors and self-righteous to tell you - they are acting only for themselves.   
      July 30, 2019 7:59 AM MDT
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