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Biden DOJ fines trucking company for requiring noncitizen workers to show their green cards to work. $700k. Does this help the economy?

https://tennesseestar.com/news/chattanooga-trucking-companies-forced-to-pay-fine-for-asking-immigrant-applicants-to-prove-legal-status/pdabrosca/2023/11/22/

Posted - December 2, 2023

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  • 5453

    It’s illegal to hire people who aren’t legally eligible to work in the United States.  My husband’s trucking company has six drivers.  We’re required to fill out a I-9 form for every person we hire.  

    The rule is one document from list A OR one document from list B AND one document from list C but never require more than one document from list A or require more than two list B and C documents.  The part of not requiring extra documents is what’s required to steer clear of anti-discrimination laws.  

    It’s also illegal to tell new employees which documents from the lists they have to provide.  We have to accept the one document from list A or the two documents from list C that the new employee has.

    It looks like what Covenant did wrong was they asked non-citizens specifically for the United States Permanent Resident ID card from list A.  That’s obviously illegal and their hiring department should’ve known better.


    This post was edited by Livvie at December 7, 2023 7:06 AM MST
      December 2, 2023 10:16 AM MST
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  • 32748
    Given that DL are on lists B or C and their are now states that will give noncitizens DL, I do not think it should be allowed on the list. 

    Sounds like the law should be changed.  Because as you said it is illegal to work a noncitizen who does not have permission. 

    The law should be changed. 
      December 7, 2023 6:43 AM MST
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  • 2800
    It's clear you don't understand the reason for the fine or the law under which it was violated.  This is not a fine for the trucking company asking non-citizens to show their green cards.  It is a discrimination suit.

    "Covernant Transport and an affiliate company, both headquartered in Chattanooga, Tennessee, will pay a $700,000 settlement in connection with the Department of Justice’s determination they discriminated against non-U.S. citizen workers when checking their permission to work in the United States.

    Federal law allows all workers to choose which valid, legally acceptable documentation to present to demonstrate their identity and permission to work, regardless of citizenship status, immigration status, or national origin.

    “Employers cannot discriminate against non-U.S. citizens by demanding specific or unnecessary documents from them to prove their permission to work,” said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division in a statement “The Justice Department is committed to ensuring compliance with our federal civil rights laws so that non-U.S. citizens with permission to work can contribute their talents to our workforce.”

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210US105G0&p=why+was+covenenant+transportation+fined
     
     
      December 2, 2023 11:50 AM MST
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  • 13260
    It helps fund the government just like tax revenues.
      December 7, 2023 7:08 AM MST
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  • 32748
    Gov is funded enough. 
      December 7, 2023 7:42 AM MST
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  • 9929
    If the fine ends hiring discrimination and helps people who need jobs to get them without going through extra hurdles, then, yes, it helps the economy.


    FYI, Tennessee does not allow undocumented immigrants to get a driver's license . 
      December 7, 2023 6:33 PM MST
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  • 32748
    But some states do...so any applicants from those states should not be allowed to use a DL.
      December 8, 2023 6:08 AM MST
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  • 5453

    For trucking companies this is a moot point.  It’s true that some states issue driver’s licenses to people who aren’t legally in the country, but right now no states issue commercial driver’s licenses, which is the license needed to drive a truck, to those who aren’t in the country legally.

    A possible way around this is if the person who is illegally in the US already has a commercial driver’s license from their home country, which practically would only apply to Mexicans and Canadians. 

    We can legally hire someone with a Canadian or Mexican CDL as long as Canada or Mexico is their legal residence, but every load we give them could only go between the US and their own country.  They wouldn’t be allowed to both pick up and deliver in the United States.



    This post was edited by Livvie at December 8, 2023 8:13 AM MST
      December 8, 2023 7:43 AM MST
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  • 9929
    I don't know if they do. Do you? You were referring to a TN based company, and your question was about the benefit to the economy. 
      December 8, 2023 8:06 AM MST
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