This info might well have come from Rick Gates who flipped and is testifying against Manafort. Manafort represented the Ukraine and Van der Szwaan is connected to that somehow. A complete unknown. By the end of the journey will Mueller have handed out hundreds of indictments to tons of folks involved of whom we have never heard? Leading up to the big gun who keeps insisting "no collusion" to an empty hall. Attention is elsewhere and his plaintiff echoes ricochet off the walls repeating repeating repeating repeating. Russians and money-laundering and collusion and the Ukraine and Jared Kushner and Russian oligarch and the mafia and the donjohn all involved all circling down the drain in the whirlpood of their own vanities and criminal acts.