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Kamala Harris is an OUTRAGEOUS DAME! She is from California. Whaddya expect She sez we need to pay teachers what they're worth! Seriously?

What nerve! Is she a communist socialist isty ist to end all ists? "Pay teachers what they are worth!" Who the he** does that or wants to? Well there ya have it! A nervy dame who is clearly insane wanting to pay teachers (in my opinion a NATIONAL TREASURE) what they are worth! Shall we hang her at high noon? Crucify her? Maybe something more YOUR cuppa tea? She is after all a woman and an African American. My GOD! Right?

Posted - March 26, 2019

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  • 6098
    Teachers are "worth" what they are getting.  They have the same right as all of us to negotiate for salary with their school board or town as we do with our employers. 
      March 26, 2019 10:51 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    This is not a black and white issue.  FAR FROM IT.  They have a long way to go to get anywhere near what they are worth.  Most of us would fall by the wayside trying to keep up with the average teacher's workload which does not end when they walk out of the schoolroom.

    By most accounts, teachers aren’t paid enough. On an annual basis, teacher salaries lag those of other professions. Paltry earnings are often linked to high teacher turnover or insufficient quality in the workforce.

    But teacher wages differ from other professions in another key way: in the steepness of the salary curve over a career. Teaching, like many fields, rewards experience. But what’s unlike other professions is the degree to which pay is linked to seniority and how much it affects earnings toward the end of teachers’ careers.  The compensation patterns create potentially problematic consequences for teachers, school districts and students alike.

    Using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, a recent study I’ve authored finds that other professionals (lawyers, doctors, accountants, computer programmers) reach their peak salaries around age 40; teachers enter their 40s with much lower earnings on average and don’t hit peak earnings until age 55 or so. As the figure below demonstrates, teaching stands out as atypical, with a larger share of pay diverted to late-career raises.

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    Source: Breaking tradition: A fixed-dollar pay raise strategy that benefits teachers and school districts

    This evidence does not mean that teachers are being overpaid, even in their mid-50s. Rather, it means a disproportionate amount of available salary funds is concentrated on teachers at the end of their career (when compared to other professions).

    The compensation pattern above is shaped by several practices. Despite the recent push to modernize teacher pay, the typical district salary schedule still awards “step” increases associated with experience (and bumps for graduate credits). In some districts, the differential is so high that a senior teacher earns the equivalent salary of two junior teachers for the same job title and duties.

    And in most years, the district layers annual cost of living increases (COLAs) in ways that simply exacerbate salary differences between early-career and late-career teachers. Districts tend to follow a relatively unexamined pay tradition with COLAs, often automatically doling out the new funds as an across-the-board percentage raise. Added on top of an uneven base, this works to drive a higher proportion of dollars to veteran teachers near the top of the pay scale. Compare the actual salaries of two New York City teachers in 2013, one with 5 years’ experience, one with 22 years under her belt: the cumulative COLA funds awarded in a five-year contract (some retroactively) yield $25,014 to the 5-year teacher vs. $41,542 for the senior teacher.

    In addition to salaries, districts drive money to late-career teachers in myriad other ways.  In Washington State, for instance, where districts pay stipends for teachers’ non-teaching duties (Time, Responsibility and Incentive, or TRI stipends), nearly every district in the state structures those funds to drive more to the most veteran teachers. Seattle, for instance, funnels over $18,000 in TRI money to late-career (highest-paid) teachers; its early-career (lowest-paid) teachers receive half of that amount. When philanthropy funded the new labor contract in Newark, New Jersey, a few years ago, even those philanthropic dollars were divided in ways that gave larger signing bonuses to late-career teachers. Some districts promise senior teachers first dibs on stipend opportunities. Some labor contracts specify a stipend for teachers in the same year they retire.

    Less commonly recognized are the differences in pension earnings that further widen the teacher compensation gap. As two new reports show, in most states, a teacher in her 10th year of teaching earns none of the billions deployed in state and locally funded teacher pensions during that year; pension earnings vest in the later years, such that a teacher with 30 years’ experience earns some $20,000 a year on average in pension wealth, beyond any increases in salary.

    CAN DISTRICTS MAKE THEIR FUNDS WORK HARDER?

    Why does all of this matter? District leaders are steering a disproportionate share of the highly constrained public education funds toward a small segment of the teaching force–the group of teachers least likely to leave teaching. The National Center for Education Statistics Teacher Follow up Survey reports that while fewer than four percent of teachers with more than 20 years’ experience leave before retirement, 13.5 percent of teachers with under five years’ experience do. The lower turnover among senior teachers might be a result of the higher salaries, or of proximity to pension earnings – we don’t know for sure–and changing the salary patterns might affect turnover among veterans. But current distribution patterns leave few dollars for pay raises in a teacher’s earlier years where turnover is most acute.

    Roza_Figure 2

    Source: Breaking tradition: A fixed-dollar pay raise strategy that benefits teachers and school districts.

    These practices not only result in lower salaries for most teachers, they also channel funds in ways that jeopardize equity across schools and create havoc for district financial stability. High-poverty, high-minority schools tend to have more early-career teachers and fewer late-career teachers, which means fewer salary dollars reach the schools with the highest needs. For districts where enrollment declines mean fewer new hires, the costs of a mostly senior teacher pool can cause chaos (as has been the case in Newark and Detroit). Further, because states tie pension obligations to salary during the last few years of teaching, higher end-of-career pay triggers more pension debt.

    Some will argue that the solution is to raise all salaries, since teacher salaries are lower than in other professions. That’s fair. But meantime, the system should do the most with the dollars it has. In our recent paper we identify COLAs as a pragmatic starting point to help drive more dollars to teachers to boost wage equity, since labor and management negotiate COLAs relatively frequently and it’s an admittedly heavier political lift to overhaul traditional district salary scales (which are often embedded in district policies, union contracts and, sometimes, state policy). Districts could dole out COLAs in fairer fixed flat-dollar amounts instead of on a fixed percentage basis, ensuring the new money works to raise all salaries equitably. Of course, other options exist to boost pay, including one we proposed in an earlier paper to raise pay for effective teachers willing to take on more students.

    This blog post was originally published by The Brookings Institution.

      March 26, 2019 11:05 AM MDT
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  • 6098
    Most of the study you have authored is beside the point.  You are looking at teacher salaries as a function of what others in other fields are getting which is completely unrealistic.  A town raises funds through taxation a portion of which it sets aside for teacher salaries.  From that amount they must allocate all salaries according to whatever methods make sense to them. So the sky cannot be the limit.  The economic realities deem otherwise.  Most of the rest of us get paid what our employers deem we are worth. We make or save money for our employers we naturally make more. Our employer doesn't make money then we do not.  Nor do we receive "cost of living" increases. We work for a fixed sum on which we must  live.  We can negotiate salary increases or we can go elsewhere. Has nothing to do with other professions. I have been in a single job for 30 years and am paid very well but was not always. I had to learn what was expected of me and how to do it and do it well.  Though it is basically office and desk work. 

    We can all like to think OK we are worth more than we get.  We can enjoy thinking we are worth so much that no one will ever hire us. But practically we have to work within the realities of our situation. Because money does not grow on trees but rather people make it by working. Or investing.  
      March 26, 2019 11:31 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    I'm looking at the fact that teachers are not getting paid what they are worth.  What are you looking at.  That is the point.  
      March 26, 2019 12:58 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    SIGH.
      March 27, 2019 2:36 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    I wonder if this is helping.  Having all these people shouting stuff.  I don't think she is ready for being our Candidate. I think she would be an okay president compared to Trump, but she needs way more experience.  I want Elizabeth Warren.  I want BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PETE Buttgeieg.  (sP)

    He reminds me of Obama.  He has a lot of CHOPS.  This guy is Harvard MAGNA CUM LAUDE and has been mayor.  He has a marvelous record and is a great speaker on all issues.

    He would cream Trump.  HE WOULD CREAM TRUMP.  That is what would be great. But he is an unknown.  Biden is WAY too old.  He will be in his 80's.  NO.  Warren is too much of an iffy prospect.  I don't think everyone loves her like I do.  BUT BERNIE?  THAT HAS TO BE OUR GUY and/or this Pete guy.  Those are my hopes for the win. 
      March 26, 2019 10:52 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Funny you should mention Pete. Just saw him interviewed on Chris Hayes show. He is BRILLIANT! I'm gonna pay more attention to him. I love Kamala. Of course I do. She was our Attorney General and is our Senator so I admit I am prejudiced. I love the way she questions people. Thank you for your reply Sharon. Elizabeth Warren is fine but she is a female Bernie Sanders. In a pinch I'd vote for her if that were my only choice but I prefer someone YOUNGER. Different strokes.
      March 27, 2019 2:38 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    If we paid public school teachers "what they are worth" ... they would be taking pay CUTS.
    Private school teachers are paid less, and get better results.  

    It obviously isn't the money we're pouring into the public school system, that's the problem.
      March 26, 2019 10:53 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    WHAT?  Pay WHATS?

    Maybe I am reading this wrong.  Are you saying that we are funneling money and the teachers are enjoying the funneling?  I don't think so.  I don't know many teachers that have the ability to work one full time teaching job and pay all the bills.  Not too many.  Most have extra jobs.

    So, if the funneling isn't helping, I would look to those in charge of getting the money to be able to funnel it where they want it funneled.
      March 26, 2019 11:08 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    I don't know about other states ... but the schools in WA and OR are literally falling apart, because the teachers are getting the majority of the district budgets.  

    The public school system gets over twice the pay per student as private schools ... and the public schools get even more for disabled and ESL (English as Second Language) students.

    So yes ... if we look at the market and ROI ... public school teachers would take pay CUTS.

    BTW - there is a website I stumbled across last year, when the local school district was saying the teachers needed a 17% raise.
    It actually listed the individual salaries of all employees of the school district, because they are public employees and it is public record.
    Their salaries were in line with the average degree-holding worker in the area, with the same level of experience.  (EG: 1 yr on the job, 5 years, 10 years, etc)

    This post was edited by Walt O'Reagun at March 26, 2019 11:25 AM MDT
      March 26, 2019 11:22 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    I'm not sure about this where you are.  But I am shocked.  The rest of the country is striking for a reason.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/30/teachers-striking-oklahoma-west-virginia-arizona-kentucky/472742002/ This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at March 26, 2019 12:13 PM MDT
      March 26, 2019 12:12 PM MDT
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  • 6023
    Since I live in Washington, and work in Oregon, I'm more familiar with their specifics.
    I also have friends and family with children in both public and private schools in those states, so I know those differences.

    An interesting thing is that the public school teachers are constantly saying THEY have to buy supplies for students/families who can't afford to.  But the actual supply list for students shows that the other students/families are the ones purchasing the extra supplies.  IE: No single student needs 3 boxes of #2 pencils - but that is what the list requires.  Then all those pencils are put in a class supply closet and given out, one-at-a-time, when a student needs one.  So say 20 out of 30 students in a class brings those supplies.  That is 20x3=60 boxes of #2 pencils.  Each box has 10 or 12 pencils ... which means 600 pencils for one class.
      March 26, 2019 12:25 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    I see. Another issue on which we DISAGREE HUMONGOUSLY. SIGH.  No point in discussing it further. Thank you for your reply Walt. Different strokes.
      March 27, 2019 2:40 AM MDT
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  • 10772
    How much is a "national treasure" worth?

    While I can't stand the person you mentioned, she does raise a valid point.  Parents today do expect teachers to raise their kids for them (gives them a scapegoat in case they don't "turn out right").  It's my opinion that there's already money there to pay a teacher what they're "worth"; its simply not being utilized correctly.  They spend millions to shut down old schools and billions to build new ones.   Both charter schools and public schools must share the available funds, but their expenditures are not the same.
    Like a typical democrat, miz harris thinks that raising taxes is the answer (even if it's only on "wealthy" americans).   When in reality using available monies wisely (not frivolously) is the answer.
      March 26, 2019 11:49 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    And what frivolity are we talking about?  Lining Ben Carson's pockets so he can get more furniture?  

    Get a real lens to look through here.  THE DEMS AREN'T GONNA TAKE YOUR SILLY MONEY.  TRUMP IS.  WAKE UP.l
      March 26, 2019 12:15 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      March 27, 2019 2:41 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    I adore her. So we are on opposite sides of Kamala Harris. SO WHAT? Thank you for your thoughtful reply Shuhak. I would ask why you "can't stand her" but what's the point?  SIGH.
      March 27, 2019 2:41 AM MDT
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