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What is your opinion on the use of colorful language on AM?

We've previously voted and our current policies are based on what members requested. However, there have been a number of discussions about what should and shouldn't be allowed, as well as what our current policies actually mean, so we're revisiting the language guidelines. Please choose the option that best represents your feelings on cursing on answerMug. You can add details in the comments, but try to place an actual vote, so it will be counted. 
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69 comments

  • SA (SuperA)
    SA (SuperA)
    Agreed!
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • my2cents
    my2cents
    I think b*tch, f***, sh*t, as well as other offensive words should not be permitted.  P*ssy, d*ck, a**, sl*t, wh*re,  n*gger,  etc Do not belong in the main q&a section. We have plenty of other parts of the site where people can talk like that.


    October 11, 2016 - 8 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation my2cents
    n*gger should never be allowed, nor should f*g. Both are slurs and are almost solely used in context of hateful rhetoric.


    October 12, 2016 - 5 like this

  • my2cents
    my2cents InternationalSpaceStation
    I agree 100% they should not be allowed even in the adult section. 
    I phrased my answer to the topic of the question. 

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Marguerite, the Beloved
    Marguerite, the Beloved
    Words like F**k, etc. should be banned. I think we should use common sense to ban offensive material also. Like Trump's locker room rant. I wanted to vote for more than one. 
    October 11, 2016 - 3 like this

  • my2cents
    my2cents Marguerite, the Beloved
    So do you think quoting Trump's rant uncensored... should be permitted or not?  From your answer I am not sure. 
    October 12, 2016

  • Gunboat Diplomat
    Gunboat Diplomat
    I'd allow swear words but add a user setting so they can choose whether they actually see swears.
    October 11, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Just Asking
    Just Asking Gunboat Diplomat
    That's not possible without rewriting a whole lot of code. Plus, members just look for ways to get around filters with misspellings and such. It becomes a game.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Bozette
    Bozette Just Asking
    People do that now.
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta Just Asking
    Precisely!  Censorship of any kind is open-ended. Times and definitions change.  Attitudes regarding that which is 'offensive' change.  It's better to let individuals censor their own content.
    October 12, 2016

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta Just Asking
    I agree. No system is perfect, but perfection should always be the goal. To that end I suggest a user-adjustable filtering option.  I get that JA doesn't like blocking (people), but there's no reason why more sensitive users can't block certain content.
    October 12, 2016

  • Randy D
    Randy D Transquesta
    Not everyone agrees with what is acceptable and what is not. A person who uses a lot of profanity when speaking may consider it normal and therefore use it when writing too. Another person might see it differently. 

    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Transquesta
    That's why censorship should be content-aware. Moderators should be aware of the context the curse word is used in and reprimand if the curse word is used in a bullying context. 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Transquesta
    Oh yes, I was victim of that several times. I was both a very loved and very hated member on there, and the flagging system went rampant. That's why I'm really happy to see that the moderators are actual, real people, and that they evaluate things on a case-by-case basis. Since they're already have to read all comments and such for content, I'm thinking that curse words should be allowed in any non-bullying context. Like "This is fking awesome!" is ok, but "Fk you" is not ok. I don't believe in censorship of words for the sake of censoring words. I do believe in censoring hate speech, though, regardless of what words it contains. Words like "n*gger"should be permanently banned since it's a racial slur and is never used in any context but a slur. Similar slurs like "f*g" and such shouldn't be allowed. There's a difference between swears and slurs. Slurs shouldn't be used at all because they're almost solely used as hate speech. Swears are context-dependent, and just like any other word, can be used to hurt someone or just be used normally. 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Randy D
    Randy D Transquesta
    I agree, SH.  
    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH
    WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH
    I agree with Goatjumper
    October 11, 2016 - 3 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation
    I believe it should be like in EP. EP had a filter where it defaulted to censoring curse words into **** and stuff. But if you weren't offended by such, you could turn the filter off and see the word. That way if you're someone like me and have a sailor mouth and don't care if others do as well, then you should be able to curse and read cursing. Else all you'll see is a sky full of stars :)
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation
    The only ones that should be banned is "f*ck, motherf*cker, and cu*t" if you absolutely MUST ban these words. Sh*t shouldn't be banned since it's almost never, ever used as a personal insult and it's a very useful word. I say if my mom would say it, it's ok. Censorship of words doesn't make any sense, since it's all in the context. Any set of words can hurt if used correctly. That's why I believe you shouldn't place censorship, but instead consider the context of the curses. 
    October 11, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Bozette
    Bozette
    I loathe censorship.  Goat pretty well summed it up.  People use creative spelling now to skirt TOS violations.  Does anyone really not understand what people mean when they use "chit" or "phuck" or "a$$"???
    October 11, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta Bozette
    Nevermind epithets like asstard. :-)
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • SA (SuperA)
    SA (SuperA) Bozette
    Agreed.
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Louie
    Louie
    Very rarely, the use of a "curse" word is justified by the context of what is being written. Excepting such rare use,  writers should avoid bad language since its use simply telegraphs that the writer is lacking in essential vocabulary. Censorship in this case is a red herring.
    October 11, 2016 - 4 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Louie

    I disagree. I've got quite the arsenal of rhetorical tools, and was perhaps the most skilled writer in my AP ELC class, always getting top marks on my essays. My verbal IQ score is 147. I remember well over 90% of the words I had learned for the SAT, and I regularly utilize them. But real life is not a rhetorical essay. Not every comment I write is for a college essay. Choosing to use the word "fuck" every once in a while neither implies that I lack vocabulary, nor does it imply I lack rhetorical skills. It simply means I don't have a stick up my ass and realize that sometimes a single curse word can get the point across far more effectively than a college-level rhetoric. Replacing the obfuscated verbosity of sesquipedalian language with a single terse curse word may not be the most elegant language, but it's the most effective and efficient language. Besides, unless you want to sound like some sort of archaic antiquated Victorian allured by alliteration, it's best to stick to colloquial rhetoric in colloquial situations--and such includes the choice of using "fuck" in one's dialogue. 

    And by the way, I didn't google a single word I used in there. Unlike what you expect of some of us sailor mouths, many of us are perfectly rhetorically competent--we just realize that there's a time and place for everything, and that includes formality of speech. And arguing with people over the internet is perhaps the least formal situations one can come across in this day and age. 

    So take that stick out of your ass and curse a little! Momma's not watching!


    October 12, 2016

  • Louie
    Louie InternationalSpaceStation
    I don't doubt your writing skills but your reading comprehension is sadly lacking. I wrote that bad language can be justified by the context. You wrote that sometimes a single curse word can get the point across. The two sentences mean essentially the same thing. 

    And by the way, your narcissistic reply trying so badly to impress did not do so. If your desire was to be seen as a pompous ass, you succeeded.

    October 12, 2016

  • JakobA the unAmerican.
    JakobA the unAmerican.
    Whatever bans are imposed will be easy to get around as you demonstrated by replacing vowels with *'s in your samples of 'bad' words, You will have to evaluate intent and that leads to endless arguments.

    Automated Censorship is an even worse. I remember on another forum where a lady asked why her "Class of 75" homepage suddenly had a lot of the text replaced by smileys. "Cl:-) of 75". I suppose that whichever Moral Guardian got that idea had never been taught about Balaams Ass  in sunday school ;-))

    October 11, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • JakobA the unAmerican.
    JakobA the unAmerican. JakobA the unAmerican.
    ref: http://www.wordfind.com/contains/ass/
    October 12, 2016

  • my2cents
    my2cents JakobA the unAmerican.
    Attacks are not allowed and will not be whether cursing is allowed or not.
    JA has stated many times that she does not want a filter. 

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Transquesta
    Transquesta
    I've been pretty clear on this in times previous (here and elsewhere): I default to free speech.  Censorship based on 'offensive' content is open ended (never-ending) and places site 'policemen' at constant odds with other users.  The simpler option is to add the capacity for more sensitive users to filter or block content (as OPPOSED to users) as they prefer.  Something like a profanity filter, for instance.

    Let adults BE adults.  Adults do their own work of living, censoring, etc.


    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • excon
    excon

    Hello JA:

    Any word they use on network TV should be allowed on the internet...  Some networks said the word pussy..  Others did not...  So, I said pussy in my post. 

    excon


    October 12, 2016

  • Randy D
    Randy D excon
    I balk a little at the premise of using TV guidelines to determine things like this, because over time, the powers that govern television programming up their antes in the race for ratings.  They have to push envelopes daily to compete with each other, and playing to the lowest common denominator is the best way they've found to do it. 
    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Silverwings
    Silverwings Randy D
    I tried to up your vote but it would not allow me to.
    October 12, 2016

  • Randy D
    Randy D Silverwings
    "Up" my vote?
    -

    October 12, 2016

  • Silverwings
    Silverwings Randy D
    Like your vote.
    October 12, 2016

  • <i>Benedict Arnold</i>
    Benedict Arnold Randy D
    I tried to up-vote you too and the system wouldn't let me.  by the way, by up-vote we mean "like" it.  I haven't been able to like any poll replies since the new site started up.
    October 13, 2016 - edit - delete - 2 like this

  • Randy D
    Randy D
    I think the poll should have included "none of the above" or "other answer" choices because even though I voted, the choice doesn't accurately reflect my position. 

    I chose "I don't believe in censorship, nothing should be banned."

    There is (or should be) a correct place for everything, and if/when certain content on the main room would be better posted in adult sections, moving it is a form of censorship that does not delete it entirely. There may be content that someone disagrees with its chosen location, but I don't think that justifies stifling the voice.

    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Randy D

  • my2cents
    my2cents Randy D
    This poll is about the main q&a sections. 
    October 12, 2016 - 2 like this

  • Randy D
    Randy D my2cents
    Are you sure, My2Cents?  I don't see where you get that from; there's nothing in the question that specifies either way.
    ~

    October 12, 2016

  • my2cents
    my2cents Randy D
    Yes I am positive.  No one is talking about censoring the AdultMug section. 
    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Randy D
    Randy D my2cents
    The question doesn't refer to either AM as a whole or portions thereof. 
    ~

    October 12, 2016

  • my2cents
    my2cents Randy D
    I am a moderator. Trust me this is about the main section not adult section. 
    October 13, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Randy D
    Randy D my2cents
    It must be silently implied, or perhaps subject to interpretation. If you didn't write the poll, My, how can you definitively state its focus, especially when your premise is not stated therein?
    -

    February 2, 2017

  • Malizz
    Malizz
    You can't win trying to do it by coding. I don't card for vulgarity, but I think political correctness has gone too far. That's only me, and I know others disagree.

    For example, Ep didn't accept a reference to a football strip, nor my cat as pussy, though of course Trump's usage of the latter term can be thought offensive.

    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • InternationalSpaceStation
    InternationalSpaceStation Malizz
    I agree. See, I'm a communist, and usually communists are HUGE on idpol and PC culture and all that BS. Now while it's to an extent important, I seriously think PCness has gotten TOO far and people can't stand even the slightest amount of offense. Of course some is necessary, but it's seriously been taken too far. 
    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • SA (SuperA)
    SA (SuperA)
    I agree with Goat.  No ban unless it's a personal attack on someone.
    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • Element 99
    Element 99
    Just thinking of colorful language turns my face red and my lips blue. I certainly wouldn't use anything the trump might say. We do have an adult group and free-for-all. Let's keep the profanity there. I think the censure of my use of the word a** was a bit petty, especially since I have used it before.
    October 12, 2016 - 4 like this

  • Silverwings
    Silverwings Element 99
    It won't allow me to up your vote!!
    October 12, 2016

  • ForkNdaRoad
    ForkNdaRoad
    The only thing I would suggest leaving out of the main section are nude pics.

    I don't really care on the language etc., truly makes me no difference.

    October 12, 2016 - 1 likes this

  • Randy D
    Randy D ForkNdaRoad
    Nudity isnt allowed at all anywhere on AM. 

    ~

    October 12, 2016 - 3 like this

  • ForkNdaRoad
    ForkNdaRoad Randy D
    Good to know. Having a kid in the house, I'd hate for him to glance over and blamo, get smacked in the eyeballs with a faceful of 'nudiness' as he calls it. lmao


    October 13, 2016 - 1 likes this