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What happens when all icebergs have melted? What is the rate of evaporation or does evaporation not exist in salty seas?

Posted - March 3, 2020

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  • 3719
    That depends on the source of the icebergs.

    If they are of sea-ice, their melting will not affect the sea-level. The whole North Polar ice-cap could melt with no sea-level change as it is just floating sea-ice.

    If the ice is from glaciers and terrestrial ice-sheets that are retreating (i.e. not being replenished as fast as their snouts melt) then sea-level will rise.

    If this terrestrial ice is replenished by snow-fall faster than its lower edges melt, on a sufficiently large scale, sea-level falls.

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    Sea-water most certainly does evaporate, leaving the salt behind. That is the source of rain and snow! The Earth's water is in a constant cycle, even if individual "bits" of water are temporarily held somewhere or broken by chemical reactions.

       Sea > vapour > clouds > precipitation > rivers (including via glaciers) > back to the sea .

    and;

     Sea > vapour > clouds > precipitation > living organisms > excretion / respiration / decomposition > the ground or air > back into the cycle.

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    Wonderful stuff, water.

    One unique and beautiful physical property of water that has allowed life to exist, is that its temperature of maximum density is approximately 4ºC (depending on salinity). So as water cools below that to its freezing-point (0ºC / 32ºF for fresh, a bit lower for salt) it expands again. That makes ice less dense than the water around it, so it floats.

    If water behaved like other substances, its ice would be more dense then the surrounding water, so sink; so the planet's seas would be frozen solid except for a shallow surface layer thawed by the Sun's heat. That might mean the land would be mainly arid as there would be much less water free for significant precipitation, and virtually no ocean water circulation.  

    The deep ocean temperature is generally at that magic 4ºC, and there are plenty of animals living down there despite the chilly temperature and permanent darkness.


    It has a further property helping life. I don't know if this is unique to water, but it has a "triple point", the temperature at which it can exist in any of the three  "states": as a solid, liquid or gas - ice, (fluid) water, or water-vapour. That is the 0ºC, for pure water. It is a delicate stage, taking very little stimulus to change state, but important for climate, weather and life as it means water can evaporate at quite low temperatures.  

    The disadvantage of ice expanding is purely one of human affairs: water-pipes, road surfaces, etc. split by the expansion of ice.
      March 4, 2020 4:32 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Thank you for a very thoughtful and informative reply to my question.  You say seas won't rise due to melting icebergs. I read that by 2050 the seas will have risen 19 inches due to melting icebergs...I think. Now sheets of ice vs icebergs. Why aren't their properties the same and the effect of their melting the same? By 2050 we are told coastal cities will be under water due to the rising seas. So I'm a little confused. Of course I won't be here then but others will. How will they be affected? :) Do you live inland in your country or close to the ocean? This post was edited by RosieG at March 5, 2020 1:39 AM MST
      March 5, 2020 1:38 AM MST
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  • 3719
     Ah - I didn't say that.

    It is the source of the icebergs that matters, as my first few paragraphs explain.

    To clarify what I had written:

    Most icebergs are from glaciers and ice-sheets, i.e. terrestrial ice sliding off the land and into the sea.

    Melt enough of them with insufficient snow-fall inland to replace their ice, and yes, the sea-level will rise. 

    Conversely, in cold times more snow falls on the land than is accounted for by the icebergs, so the sea-level falls. 

    Sea-ice, such as the North Polar Ice-cap, does not affect sea-level either way; though this tends to form thinner floes, not great big icebergs.
      March 10, 2020 5:06 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your reply Durdle and Happy Wednesday.
      March 11, 2020 4:33 AM MDT
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  • 17036
    Ammonia does that too, at a much lower temperature. Saturn's moon Titan has ammonia-based "weather". It's due to the fact that both compounds are polar molecules. E99 could probably explain it better than I can.
      March 6, 2020 3:50 PM MST
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  • 3719
    Thank you Slartibartfast. I'd not known ammonia has that property. Are there other compounds like it?
      March 10, 2020 5:08 PM MDT
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  • 17036
    Ethanol, but only very slightly. Sulfur dioxide and hydrogen sulfide are polar too, but not as strongly as water and ammonia.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/definition-of-polar-molecule-605531 This post was edited by Slartibartfast at March 10, 2020 5:15 PM MDT
      March 10, 2020 5:14 PM MDT
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  • 44742
    What is it that ammonia does that water also does? Its solid is denser than liquid form.
      March 10, 2020 5:26 PM MDT
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  • 17036
    Triple point, at about 1.45 bar (air pressure on Titan). This post was edited by Slartibartfast at March 10, 2020 7:51 PM MDT
      March 10, 2020 6:28 PM MDT
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  • 44742
    True...but how does that relate to the question or Durdle's comment.
      March 10, 2020 7:52 PM MDT
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  • 17036
    'It has a further property helping life. I don't know if this is unique to water, but it has a "triple point" ...'

    It isn't.
      March 11, 2020 1:42 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      March 11, 2020 4:33 AM MDT
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