Latest Quinnipiac Poll .... 86% of Americans favor No Gun Sales to citizens on Terror Watch List ?

I would be fine with that if they due the job of making and keeping it correct. And that there is a process for correcting a person who is wrongly on the list.
Someone on here showed were several people were denied a purchase of a firearm....after looking into it 90% were wrongfully denied.

Of course, the system used must  be accurate with proper oversight...That "someone" may have been right or they may have been wrong !   You must admit that a failure rate of 90% sounds just a little far fetched...The Gun People like to throw a lot of BS around.

Because they would rather cut off their noses than admit they are wrong no matter what. They will hold up time and money and rights and you name it. That is the Mindless Powerhungry GOP who wants to keep their GUNS.  They know that is a hot button issue among the in-bred hillbilly morons who pass themselves off as "free thinkers".  There are just enough of them to keep the GOP flourishing.  Denigrate the need for education and fill the void with cheap reality shows and guns and moronic brain food.  That is your new Amerika.

The list had Ted Kennedy on it for years....even he could not get his name off the list.  Many of the names are similar sounding names to alias' that terrorists have been know to use.  One guy has issues everytime he flies, he had a very common American name.  I cannot remember it at the moment.

I will look into the 90% comment some time and get back to you.  But yes BOTH sides like to make up numbers and stats.

So let's see . . .

All those people that allegedly gave a "thumbs up" to doing that are willing to infringe on peoples Rights, even their own, based on hearsay, no "due process" needed? (Did they realize that that's what they were agreeing to?)

At least it sets a precedent to trample your Rights for other reasons too. Say your neighbor thinks you bought alcoholic beverages in a neighboring State without paying the excise tax in you local. That will give the tax police reason enough to break down your door without gathering corroborating evidence and bothering with the pesky "due process" of getting a search warrant signed by a jurist.

And socialist authoritarianism lives on . . . .Soviet Union style . . .

You are speaking of the "NO Fly" list...... We are speaking of the "Terror Watch List". The two are NOT the same thing !

Cool, can they explain how their policy would be any more effective at preventing those on the list from acquiring a gun illegally than gun control law would prevent a criminal from acquiring one illegally?

I prefer not to chase my own tail on this one, but that's just me.

Last week a friend called my attention to the NRA / ILA website. They published that same tearful argument as an editorial .  Any possible modification to gun ownership laws brings the same protestation from the alleged "Patriots".

The overwhelming majority of Ameircan people are also perfectly OK with the the US government murdering F***ING HADJIS throughout the world (including US citizens) simply on the US President's say-so because...ya know...terrorism.

They're wrong about that as well.

There is a compromise position that I think might be sufficient to address both security and civil rights concerns. If the no fly/no buy guns lists forced a reasonable DELAY, during which time someone on the list could invoke presumption of innocence and require the government to present evidence why they should remain on the list, then I might accept it.

But, as currently constructed, the lists consist of typical government bureaucratic overreach with very little accountability. i don't think ANYONE should be denied their civil rights on the basis of what someone believes they MIGHT do.

So 86% of Americans favor taking away someone's rights with out any reason other than someone put them on a list.

We will be safe from Ted Kennedy and a two year old.

It may not totally deny access to firearms by a terror suspect.... However, you don't think it would hamper or delay the ability  to acquire a firearm during the investigative process ?...  Or do we just put our heads in the sand  and pretend that we are helpless ?

Nope, I really don't think it would prevent a determined person from acquiring a gun, regardless of their intent.

I oppose gun control measures for the very same reason. The principle either works when applied or it doesn't, "who" it targets is irrelevant.

I'm not ignoring the problem, only disregarding emotional, fear-based reactionism to think it through. In my opinion, the truly helpless are those who honestly believe words on a piece of paper will somehow change the acts of criminals who've no regard whatsoever for human life, much less the laws that attempt to protect it.

My head is crystal clear on this one.

Basically, that's the takeaway... this is why democracy fails, the reasonable are ever at the mercy of the fearful and wishful thinkers.

Yes FDR was so paranoid he locked up all the Japanese/Americas during WW2.

So paranoid the IRS was blocking political opponents from getting 501 status.

FDR did NOT !

@FnR -- While I'm about 80% in agreement with you on this particular issue, I must protest your fancy-word version of "Criminals don't obey gun laws."

Yes, it's true. SOME criminals don't obey SOME gun laws. But if perfect compliance is your standard for every law, then we should have NO laws, because all of them get violated by SOME criminals.

I agree that our current version of the no fly/no buy guns lists (or the proposed modifications) are poorly constructed laws. But that doesn't mean that SOME version of them might strike a reasonable balance between deterring possible criminals from doing harm while still generally respecting the rights of law-abiding citizens to legally obtain firearms.

It's no secret that blind reactionaries grossly outnumber reasonable people... that's a problem warranting paranoia in my opinion. Call me 'paranoid.'

Nope, I'm not floating nirvana---just being realistic, that's all.

I'm a Voluntaryist of the worst kind in that I realize some will voluntarily choose to be controlled and I've no standing to stop them from it. I no longer care to control govt., they couldn't control me even if they wanted to, so I quite literally have no skin in this game outside of stating the obvious, these laws fall far short of solving any of these problems, they just create more problems.

That said, I'm content to pop my popcorn and be the one in the background saying "I told you so" every time they wish to try ;)

Oh and I would only add that criminals, by nature, commit crimes. Their disregard for law is what makes them criminals to begin with... I chose my words there carefully and I stand by that. Perhaps I should also include my own personal definition of "criminal" for clarity, criminal being one who was 'convicted' of a crime or crimes, so simply one accused.

Anyone on the No Fly list is going to be on the Terrorist Watch List....

You're right they are not the same thing. The Terror Watch List is the larger more complete list...

The No Fly List is a watch list of people the government has designated as known or suspected terrorists and prohibited from flying to and from the United States and over U.S. airspace. It is a subset of a larger watch list, called the Terrorist Screening Database, which is operated by the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the deportation and incarceration with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942....