Unvaxxed Belgian woman dies after getting co-infection from two Covid 19 strains. Mass suicides await?

Edit: Used a needless hyphen in severe-illness. Should simply be severe illness.

Accepted. Thank you. Would contributor "Stu Spelling Bee" like me to use strikethrough on it? He may command me, and I will do so!

It doesn't matter. Whatever works for you.

By definition, a drug / vaccine, cannot be validly-described as "experimental" when it has completed going through the regulation testing procedures, and has been approved by the regulation agencies. Such a drug / vaccine can only be described as "experimental" at a stage during the prior-approval: research testing.

This post was edited by Robert at July 11, 2021 2:28 PM MDT

True. However, none of the vaccines have been approved by regulating agencies for normal usage. 
They have only been given Emergency Use Authorization. 

This is also why they fight the use of meds that treat covid. If there is a treatment discovered the EUA cannot remain. This post was edited by my2cents at July 11, 2021 2:28 PM MDT

Emergency authorization, is authorization.
Therefore drugs / vaccines given emergency authorization are not experimental. This post was edited by Robert at July 12, 2021 6:38 AM MDT

We will have to disagree.  They are not approved. 
They are authorized only because of an emergency. 

They are experimenting on us. 

Any approved vaccine that has showed the side effects that these have would be removed from usage immediately.  This post was edited by my2cents at July 12, 2021 6:53 AM MDT

Approval seems to occur following phase 3 testing.
Emergency authorization can be given during phase 3 testing.

Therefore contributor "my2cents" may be correct. While I do not know if the scientific community accept the word / term: "experimental" for such authorizations, in the absence of clarification from them on whether such drugs / vaccines can / should be regarded as "experimental" (I cannot find any doing an Internet search) that word may cover the circumstances. The issuance of an emergency use authorization may mean that the drug / vaccine in question can no longer be regarded as "experimental"; however the public may take a different view.

When Approval takes place:
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"Development of New Vaccines
The general stages of the development cycle of a vaccine are:

Exploratory stage
Pre-clinical stage
Clinical development
Regulatory review and approval
Manufacturing
Quality control

Clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety." [...]

Extract source:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

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At what stage can emergency approval be given:
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"[...] An EUA request for a COVID-19 vaccine can be submitted to FDA based
on a final analysis of a phase 3 clinical efficacy trial
or an interim analysis of such trial, i.e., an analysis performed before the planned end of the trial once the data have met the pre-specified success criteria for the study’s primary efficacy endpoint. [...]

• When the phase 3 portion of the human clinical trial reaches a predetermined point that informs how well a vaccine prevents COVID-19, as discussed and agreed to in advance with FDA, an independent group (called a data safety monitoring board) will review the data and inform the manufacturer of the results. Based on the data and the interpretation of the data by this group, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA, taking into consideration input from FDA. [...]"

Note:
This is an extract - please read the full version.

Extract source:
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

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This post was edited by Robert at July 12, 2021 7:37 AM MDT

Again it would not be approved without the emergency. 

And even if it were approved in a normal vaccine would be pulled because of all the deaths it has called. 



They are experimenting on us.

The source for contributor "my2cents" figure of 9,048 deaths connected with vaccines against the Coronavirus (not for her uploaded image "chart"), seems to be as follows:
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&DIED=Yes

Total worldwide deaths from the Coronavirus are now more than 4 million people:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/


Conclusion:
"They" - the scientific community, are not "experimenting" on us; "they" are trying to save lives.


This post was edited by Robert at July 13, 2021 3:35 PM MDT

No not my source. 

If you have different information from VEARS database...feel free to post it.  

The chart I posted is reported deaths from vaccine by years from the VAERS database. 

The inventor of on type of the vaccine has stated that for every 3 people saved (not vaccinated), the vaccine will kill 2 people. 

Maybe they are not experimenting on us....but they are killing some of us.

The source I provided appears to be for the figure contributor "my2cents" mentioned of 9,048 deaths, while I appreciate that that source may not be the one she consulted. I am unable to find a source for the chart she posted, but posted instead a source for the figure she gave.

She also wrote: 
"The inventor of on[e] type of the vaccine has stated that for every 3 people saved ([not] vaccinated), the vaccine will kill 2 people."

Fact check:
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Study does not determine COVID vaccines kill 2 for every 3 they save
Newswise
7-Jul-2021 3:20 PM EDT, by Newswise

Fact Check By: Craig Jones, Newswise

"A peer reviewed, scientific study showed that the COVID-19 vaccine causes two deaths for every three lives it saves.”  This claim was made on "The Liz Wheeler Show" (video here) [https://www.facebook.com/OfficialLizWheeler/videos/552312405769637], a Facebook video with over 1.4 million Facebook followers, which was first posted on June 30th. It refers to a study that was published in the journal Vaccines on June 24. Four days later, (and 2 days before the first Wheeler show post) the journal appended a note to the study, expressing concerns about the study and calling its main conclusion incorrect. The claim is misleading because it is a misrepresentation of the data, as expressed by the staff of the journal and the European Medicines Agency which runs the database used to record adverse reactions to the vaccines. The study was ultimately retracted on July 2.

The study, "The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations — We Should Rethink the Policy," was done by three European researchers, led by Harald Walach, professor at Poznan University of Medical Sciences in Poland. The study used data from an Israeli field study which calculates the number of people who needed to be vaccinated to prevent one death. The study authors then used that number to contrast with a number they calculated from the Adverse Drug Reactions database. The data on adverse reactions can’t be used on its own to conclude whether a vaccine caused death. The Adverse Drug Reactions database explicitly says the data counts "suspected side effects" and they are not necessarily related to or caused by the medicine. Even the European Medicines Agency, which manages the Adverse Drug Reactions database, warns that its data on adverse reactions can’t be used on its own to conclude whether a vaccine caused death.

Extract source:
https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/study-does-not-determine-covid-vaccines-kill-2-for-every-3-they-save/?article_id=754004

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This post was edited by Robert at July 13, 2021 3:38 PM MDT

As I had stated....any vaccine that had had some many possible deaths....they would have removed it from usage. 

You may disagree with the inventor of one the vaccines about the number of people saved vs killed by the vaccine but it does not change the fact that it is what he said. And you can disagree with the peer reviewed study he quoted but it not not erase the fact that it exists.

Again if you can show the information I posted as yearly reported vaccine deaths is incorrect according to VAERS, please do.   This post was edited by my2cents at July 12, 2021 3:06 PM MDT

Contributor "my2cents" wrote:
" the inventor of one the vaccines about the number of people saved vs killed by the vaccine but it does not change the fact that it is what he said [...}"

She should not post fake news since fake news is designed to mislead people. I have already posted a fact check in response.

I did not dispute her figure of the number of deaths reported associated, or possibly associated, with all vaccines against the coronavirus; I posted a source which appears to confirm the figure.



This post was edited by Robert at July 13, 2021 3:28 PM MDT

He posted a study that confirmed it.  

Again, if you have evidence from VAERS that these deaths were not reported please post it.   

If any other vaccine had this amount of reports they would pull it. 

In fact there were more deaths from the vaccines reported to VAERS last week than deaths from Covid19 itself. (2048 vaccines deaths reported vs 1505 covid19 deaths reported)  

Contributor "my2cents" wrote:
'"He posted a study that confirmed it"

The "study" is debunked in the fact check from which I posted an extract. This post was edited by Robert at July 13, 2021 3:44 PM MDT

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