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Chutzpah. Cheeky nerve. Is that something that Donald J. hey hey hey has lots of? Why?

Posted - December 1, 2016

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  • Personally I wouldnt consider it Chutzpah or cheeky nerve..those both imply a charming way of getting what you want.. the cheeky chappie type who is sweet, charming, makes you laugh and like him.. Trump behaves like a derranged bully.. or certainly did during the election - I haven't seen anything since from him..There is nothing charming about a man who spouts such vile words.
      December 1, 2016 11:22 AM MST
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  • 44839
    No Chutzpah...that is Yiddish and I'm sure he dislikes Jews.
      December 1, 2016 4:23 PM MST
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  • 113301
    His son-in-law Jared Kushner is Jewish. His daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism when they got married. His grandchildren by Ivanka are Jewish. He apparently adores his son-in-law and relies on him for advice. So maybe he dislikes the generic Jew but give him a specific Jew and what's not to like?  Thank you for your reply ele and Happy Friday! :)
      December 2, 2016 3:51 AM MST
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  • 13268
    Actually, you have zero basis for saying that. He was born and raised in NYC and has been in the real estate business, both of which experiences entail constant and repeated dealings with Jewish people. Also, he attended the University of Pennsylvania in the Ivy League. Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale in the Ivy League, plus other prestigious colleges and universities, all have significant numbers of Jewish students on campus. Further, his daughter Ivanka and her husband are Jewish. There is no evidence that he is anti-Semitic.
      December 2, 2016 5:16 AM MST
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  • 113301
     Touche m'dear. I agree with thee a tiny bit and also disagree a lot. I don't find people who are cheeky remotely sweet/charming/likable/humorous. I think they are annoying/aggravating/presumptuous and quite pompous. Toss in condescending and patronizing as well and you get the picture! Probably it's because your Cheeky and mine are not the same. Some words means different things to different people and this may be one of them! Thank you for your reply DdbTD and Happy Friday to thee! :)
      December 2, 2016 3:41 AM MST
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  • I can't stop laughing over you calling him Donald J. Hey,hey,hey.   That's gold.
      December 1, 2016 12:18 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Thank you sir for the compliment. I am here to provide jocularity whenever and however I can. I appreciate that you're laughing and not lambasting me for something.  Thank you for your reply Glis and Happy Friday m'dear! :)
      December 2, 2016 3:54 AM MST
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  • Hey, HEY,hey

    (lol)

      December 2, 2016 4:00 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Ya got me m'dear. I just laughed. What a great way to start the day Glis! We made each other laugh. I say full steam ahead! Thank you for your reply and the graphic! :):):)
      December 2, 2016 4:03 AM MST
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  • Have a good weekend Rosie.;)
      December 2, 2016 4:04 AM MST
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  • 113301
    You too, retroactively of course! Happy Thursday Glis! :)
      December 8, 2016 4:54 AM MST
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  • 13268
    Hi Rosie:

    It's something that anyone who gets elected president has lots of, or they wouldn't be elected. Trump isn't that different from Obama.
      December 1, 2016 1:54 PM MST
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  • Ahem well you are of course entitled to your opinions and of course i respect that, but just to point out that others would argue that he got elected on hate and fear.. hate playing into fears etc..  just saying it sure wasn't his cosiness :P This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 1, 2016 2:44 PM MST
      December 1, 2016 2:44 PM MST
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  • 13268
    But all of that started with and flowed from chutzpah, which every successful candidate has - how do you Brits spell Yiddish words? Obama and Trump both ran and won as outsiders promising change. They're more alike than you realize.
      December 1, 2016 3:35 PM MST
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  • I've no idea how we spell yiddish words, I recognised the word when you wrote it so maybe that's how we spell it too :)  And lol listen very carefully, I am going to agree with you and admit I am mistaken on this one.. it almost never happens that I am wrong  but this time I just may be ... I perhaps didn't understand what chutzpah.. we tend to use yiddish words here, (no real reason, perhaps we have less Jewish people?) so I assumed it was something akin to cheekiness... but it seems it's not.. so yes, Trump definitely have a huge amount of self-belief.
      December 1, 2016 3:49 PM MST
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  • But anyway - I was right about Obama not being able to deliver all the things people thought he could and so that means I am probably right about Trump too :P
      December 1, 2016 3:50 PM MST
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  • 13268
    But chutzpah does connote cheekiness. Check out the following, from Wikipedia:

    Chutzpah is the quality of audacity, for good or for bad. The Yiddish word derives from the Hebrew word ḥutspâ (חֻצְפָּה), meaning "insolence", "cheek" or "audacity". Thus the original Yiddish word has a strongly negative connotation, but the form which entered English through Ameridish has taken on a broader meaning, having been popularized through vernacular use in film, literature, and television. The word is sometimes interpreted—particularly in business parlance—as meaning the amount of courage, mettle, or ardor that an individual has.


    In Hebrew, chutzpah is used indignantly, to describe someone who has overstepped the boundaries of accepted behavior. In traditional usage, the word expresses a strong sense of disapproval, condemnation and outrage.

    Leo Rosten in The Joys of Yiddish defines chutzpah as "gall, brazen nerve, effrontery, incredible 'guts', presumption plus arrogance such as no other word and no other language can do justice to". In this sense, chutzpah expresses both strong disapproval and condemnation. In the same work, Rosten also defined the term as "that quality enshrined in a man who, having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan". Chutzpah amounts to a total denial of personal responsibility, that renders others speechless and incredulous ... one cannot quite believe that another person totally lacks common human traits like remorse, regret, guilt, sympathy and insight. The implication is at least some degree of psychopathy in the subject, as well as the awestruck amazement of the observer at the display.

    This post was edited by Stu Spelling Bee at December 1, 2016 7:16 PM MST
      December 1, 2016 7:15 PM MST
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  • 113301
    The Webster's Unabridged dictionary gives the definition of CHUTZPAH as follows Stu. I always go to it.

    CHUTZPAH: "Unmitigated effrontery or  impudence. Gall". That is PET to a T for me. He  effronts and galls me with every word he utters. GALL: "To vex or irritate greatly". So your Wikipedia and my Webster's Unabridged do not agree. I go with Webster's. That is how the word was used in my question.  Just  FYI so you will know where I am coming from. :)
      December 2, 2016 4:10 AM MST
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  • 13268
    "Gall, brazen nerve, effrontery."

    Read Wikipedia again, Rosie. It includes Leo Rosten's definition from The Joys of Yiddish, which includes those very words from Webster's.
      December 2, 2016 4:51 AM MST
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  • All interesting and cool .. tho i never said it was cheekiness.. i said I had assumed it was but then looked it up.. 
      December 2, 2016 11:24 AM MST
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  • 44839
    Oy...I am verklempt.
      December 1, 2016 4:24 PM MST
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  • 13268
    Oy vey iz mir! Oy gevalt!
      December 1, 2016 7:05 PM MST
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  • 44839
    You sound like my mother. Shalom.
      December 2, 2016 11:30 AM MST
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  • 13268
    Actually, maybe more like our grandparents and great-grandparents, lol.
      December 2, 2016 3:48 PM MST
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