Discussion»Questions»Politics» Right wingers BELIEVE that if Hillary got elected, it meant all out nuclear WAR with Russia. Where did THAT come from???
She was staunch and insistent on her stupid plan that we make a no-fly zone over Syria. She's been pushing this for a long time and promised to do it if elected. Even though, EVEN THOUGH, every military adviser, intelligence officer, and general all said that it means going to war with Russia, that there is no way to do that, without a war with Russia. She still wouldn't let the No-fly zone idea go.
@Glis - If that was your reason for not voting for HRC, I understand. I don't necessarily agree with you, but at least you were paying attention.
OTOH, I find it curious (if almost entirely predictable) that many of the people you claim voted against HRC because of the alleged threat of war iwth Russia are perfectly content Der Pumpkinfuhrer has walked back many of his campaign promises. Apparently, when a STOOPID EBIL COMMIE DEMOCRAP makes a campaign promise, it has to be taken as the gospel truth (or the basis for excoriation if the promise goes unfulfilled), but when a GOOD REAL 'MURICAN REPUBLICAN makes a campaign promise, it's "just talk."
Where did I say I voted against Hillary and for Trump? Once again you're attempting to move the goal posts. Excon asked where this idea abou Hillary comes from, and I explained it to him. That's all there is to it.
Now can we put the goal posts back where they belong? Mkay? MKay!
@Glis -- I am not "moving the goal posts". You stated a reason one should NOT have voted for HRC is because you believe she would have provoked war with Russia...BASED UPON HER CAMPAIGN STATEMENTS.
That's FINE. That's OK. That's perfectly legitimate.
My point is, given how little grief Trump is getting from walking back from his campaign statements, it's unlikely many voters took HRC's campaign statements all that seriously...unless they were already predisposed to not liking her.
Right wingers BELIEVE that if Hillary got elected, it meant all out nuclear WAR with Russia. Where did THAT come from???"
Now let's look at the answer. She was staunch and insistent on her stupid plan that we make a no-fly zone over Syria. She's been pushing this for a long time and promised to do it if elected. Even though, EVEN THOUGH, every military adviser, intelligence officer, and general all said that it means going to war with Russia, that there is no way to do that, without a war with Russia. She still wouldn't let the No-fly zone idea go.
Now let's look at the definition of the statement of "Moving the goal posts" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts Now let's stop moving the goal posts and spin doctoring someones statements. Mkay? Mkay.
@Glis -- Re: "She's been pushing this for a long time and promised to do it if elected."
Gosh, that almost sounds like...wait for it...a CAMPAIGN promise.
Bush 43 promised to be a "compassionate conservative"
Obama promised to close Gitmo and punish the banksters who broke the world economy.
Trump promised to "Lock her up!"
You took HRC at her word and you were critical of that. That's fine and dandy.
What you seem to be stating is that a substantial portion of the American electorate shared your concerns about HRC's no-fly zone ideas, when the evidence the electorate thinks like you do is very weak.
Actually the evidence of the No-fly zone is very strong. Since she has been pushing for it for over a year and it wasn't just a campaign promise. A campaign promise is something one promises to their voters. This wasn't a campaign promise, this was a flawed policy that she has been trying to quietly push for since the Syrian conflict started. Brush it off all you want, but it's serious and worth recognizing. That's all I said. Yet in your quest to keep binary politics alive and strong, you have to make it about " Why someone voted and loves Trump." Logical fallacy.
It's cool keep moving the goal posts and bringing up BS so you can keep grasping at straws to defend your Poor little victimized Hillary and paint her as a pure white virgin.
Now let me play your game. You are willing to marginalize Hillary's staunch and unrelenting drive to provoke Russia over a conflict that has about F*** all to do with us, yet y'all act like the sky is falling when Trump meets the Tiawanese president because China doesn't like and lays a false claim over the country. Hmmmmmm...... The hypocrisy is perfectly half-baked today may I recommend a side of tunnel vision.
Syria is extremely complicated.. I don't KNOW that a no fly zone would start a war.. How do YOU know it??
You appear to assume that Russia would NOT back off, therefore Hillary is the provocateur.. But, one could say that Russia started it, and Hillary is trying to protect the innocent civilians from annihilation.. Maybe, Russia would have backed down. Maybe the world would be a safer place.
But, of course, that didn't happen.. In fact, when the result of the election became clear, Russia stepped up his genocide...
I don't know, I just don't pretend I know more than all the military experts and advisers. We don't have any business there anyways. Syria is not our business and any President and elected officials job is to protect Americans best interest and lives. Not those of other nations. American lives come first or at least should by our elected officials. If If's and buts where candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas excon.
Nope. We don't. If you look at the history our playing world police has only ever made things worse. The warhawks never want to give that any consideration.
Play the emotional card. It doesn't sway truth and logic.
Only one correction, WWII in Europe. Together with the Russians (and Brits and French) it made an end on Hitler's regime. It did also start the Cold War. And use of nuclear bombs. Hmm.
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 15, 2016 11:10 AM MST
It did. When we were attacked. Like you said though, it also caused the cold war and us to ally with Stalin who was just as genocidal. It's always a game of chess and knee-jerk tactics don't have good odds.
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 15, 2016 11:14 AM MST
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