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If I have an IDEA, build a company around it, and FAIL, is that because the IDEA is wrong, or I failed to execute?

Hello:

Some say that a swing rightward means left wing politics has been PROVEN wrong.  I say it simply means that left wing managers don't know HOW to manage..

Clearly, left wing politics mirrors Constitutional norms WAYYYY more than right wing politics does..

excon

Posted - December 23, 2016

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  • Depends.   Both camps have their forces that are ambivalent to the nature of liberty and our Constitution. Wingers on either side are equally dangerous.
      December 23, 2016 8:02 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello Glis:

    What you say is true, IF you're a middle of the roader..  But, I DON'T believe there ARE any middle of the roaders.  Given the fractured politics of the day, if you're NOT on one side or the other, you're simply UNINFORMED.

    excon
      December 23, 2016 8:10 AM MST
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  • Yes.   You're better than me.   I am just a mere mortal in your all -knowing, god like shadow.  One side wants and says everything right and the other is wrong on everything.   My troglodyte brain cannot stay informed.  



      December 23, 2016 8:18 AM MST
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  • Yes.   You're better than me.   I am just a mere mortal in your all -knowing, god like shadow.  One side wants and says everything right and the other is wrong on everything.   My troglodyte brain cannot stay informed.  



      December 23, 2016 8:18 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Glis, our ex has a tragic flaw.   He likes to make broad strokes and really has no way to back up a broad stroke since there are a million answers to this.

    And everyone is uninformed, ex.  Including you.  Just because you have a business does not make you the be-all, end-all on anything.  There are a lot of factors involved, none of which have been even remotely proven.  We were screwed.  Do you seriously think you could have managed this election?  

    I'm waiting.  I cannot wait. 
      December 23, 2016 8:25 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, Chruch:

    Go smoke a joint..  You'll feel better.

    excon
    This post was edited by excon at December 23, 2016 8:40 AM MST
      December 23, 2016 8:37 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, Glis:

    Well, I'm certainly BETTER at DIALOGUE than you..  Knowing stuff doesn't make me BETTER..  It makes me knowledgeable. 

    Look..  You support torture, or NOT..  There IS no middle ground..  You support a ban on Muslims entering the country, or NOT..  There IS no middle ground..  You support expanding our nukes or NOT..  There IS no middle ground..  You believe gays should be FREE to do what everybody else can do, or NOT.  There IS no middle ground..

    I could go ON and ON and ON even further..  But, if you don't get it by now, you NEVER will..

    excon
      December 23, 2016 8:34 AM MST
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  • Not Worthy GIF - Not Worthy GIFs
      December 23, 2016 8:38 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, Glis:

    My question was NOT personal..  You made it so..  THAT, all by itself, makes me BETTER than you.. 

    excon
      December 23, 2016 8:49 AM MST
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  • False.

    (proof)
      December 23, 2016 8:52 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, Glis:

    So, you're NOT sure whether WE should torture people, or not..  You're confused about whether gay people should have the same rights you do..  Maybe Trump SHOULD expand our nukes - you're in the middle on that..  Maybe banning Muslims from entering IS what the Constitution says..  You don't know.. 

    I could go on.


    Look, Glis.  I'm sure you're a nice fellow, but if you're IN the middle on those issues, YOU'RE uninformed..  If you wanna call that a personal attack on YOU, I'll live with it..

    excon
      December 23, 2016 9:21 AM MST
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  • Too funny excon.    I never said or implied any of that BS.   YOU DID.    When you lose the tunnel vision and want to have an honest talk,  hit me up.

    In the mean time:
      December 23, 2016 9:35 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, Glis:

    Point taken..  Maybe you know EXACTLY where you stand on those issues..  I shouldn't presume..  Instead, you COULD tell us WHICH issues you ARE in the middle on, if you wanted to.  I don't wanna keep on guessing..  Gimme a couple and tell me WHY you're in the middle on them.. 

    Is THAT an honest enough inquiry??

    excon
      December 23, 2016 10:00 AM MST
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  • 3934
    Given the sample size of one, there's often no way to tell.

      December 23, 2016 8:37 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello OS:

    IF I'm the ONLY one who's right, I'm comfortable with it.  I don't need back up.

    excon
      December 23, 2016 8:44 AM MST
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  • 3934
    How do you know you're right?
      December 23, 2016 8:48 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello again, OS:

    The Constitution is short and they don't use many big words..  I learned how to read in 4th grade.

    excon

    PS> This is getting STUPID now.   I'm guessing it's because NOBODY is SMART enough to answer my question..
      December 23, 2016 8:54 AM MST
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  • 3934
    @excon -- Yes, the Constitution doesn't use many big words or go into much detail, so it leaves LOTS of room for interpretation.

    I happen to agree with you that the "no cruel or unusual punishment" clause should preclude torture and the provisions about habeus corpus should make Gitmo an illegal abomination. Others disagree.

    Meanwhile, I note that one of the first things the Constitutional framers did after ratifying the Constitution was pass the Alien and Sedition Acts...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

    ...which "...allowed the president to imprison and deport non-citizens who were deemed dangerous."

    Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

    Appealing to the language of the Constitution instead of its moral spirit is always a iffy proposition.
      December 23, 2016 9:06 AM MST
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  • Once again we're down to definitions, something I'm very wary of where modern politics is concerned.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the political background across the western world has shifted in the last few decades.  The consequences of this shift are many and wide ranging but can be said to benefit comparatively few people in ways they recognise.

    The policies that have done much of the damage are being promoted and advertised (by all sides for one reason or another) as 'liberal', when I do not in fact think they are - at least not in a traditional sense as I understand it.

    I have no difficulty in finding policies that would have been viewed as 'mainstream' half a century ago now billed as 'extreme'.  Clearly the policies themselves haven't changed, but the way we talk about them and refer to them has.  For this we have ourselves, the media and the political ambitions of our representatives to blame.

    To answer your question directly ex, there may be many reasons for the failure and the responsibility for this may lie distributed across many aspects of society we can do nothing about as individuals.  Not much of an answer I know, but it's the best I can come up with.

    In a nutshell - proper, 'old fashioned' leftist-liberal policies haven't been tried and found wanting, they've been found difficult and left untried.
      December 23, 2016 9:18 AM MST
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  • 739
    The Manchester capitalists who supported free trade were Liberals. The Tories opposed free trade and supported high taxation. I don't know when exactly the definition of liberal changed. As I understand it, BOTH parties in your country have big problems. Trump won because he was not a professional Republican. What his party do when his supporters all realise that he's a jerk who is totally unsuited to the job is another matter. We Brits have a different problem. Only the Conservatives can get elected, and Labour are not even providing a meaningful opposition. The Conservatives have some terrible policies, nowadays. America has NEVER tried left-wing policies, as most of the world would recognise it. What you guys call left is slightly less right-wing than the Republicans.
      December 23, 2016 9:42 AM MST
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