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Columbus beat Vespucci to the New World...

Why weren't the Americas named for him?

Posted - February 6, 2017

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  • 170
    Here is one explanation:
    https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/amerigo-vespucci-vs-richard-amerike.21251/
      February 6, 2017 2:40 PM MST
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  • Interesting stuff, Plingsby. I'd never heard of Amerike. Right or wrong they make a case for him. Surprising to find it on a website about The West. (Maybe I should have just asked Rooster.)
      February 6, 2017 2:48 PM MST
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  • Two things are credited to it.

    1) Columbus never claimed to have found a new land mass.   Vespucci explored and detailed the continents as new land masses and mapmakers credited his name to the naming of the new land masses.

    2) Spain had turned on Columbus for what they perceived as mismanagement of new areas because  he treated the Natives too well.   Spain looked at it as an act of treason and started an anti-Colombus sentiment.



    This may help explain the history of the New World post 1492.



    This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at February 6, 2017 2:46 PM MST
      February 6, 2017 2:43 PM MST
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  • Both those comments are fascinating and completely new to me. Thanks for posting. (Certainly the Spanish conquest of Central and South America was merciless.)
      February 6, 2017 2:45 PM MST
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  • He was even imprisoned by Spain because of it.
      February 6, 2017 2:49 PM MST
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  • That's something I didn't know. Lots of gaps in my Australian education. (If he'd discovered England they'd probably have made us learn it all by rote.) Is that sort of thing regularly taught in American schools or do you have to learn it from further study?

    (Our history lessons, in the 1940s, were very much slanted in Britain's favour.)
      February 6, 2017 2:58 PM MST
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  • 170
    Quite right too!
      February 6, 2017 3:00 PM MST
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  • But don't forget, Plingsby, that while I was at school Don Bradman was teaching your lot how to play cricket. >:-)
      February 6, 2017 8:30 PM MST
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  • 170
    I remember Plum Warmer (oops, Sir Pelham) saying they'd happily have given the Aussies a century start if Bradman was left out of the team.

      February 8, 2017 3:10 AM MST
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  • I remember the day of his final innings. Well, non-innings. I heard a school that he was out for a duck. None of us could believe it. 
      February 8, 2017 8:38 AM MST
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  • Nah,  they didn't teach that part of it in school here either.   We barely learned about Vespucci.
      February 6, 2017 3:05 PM MST
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  • That video is interesting. Covers a lot of ground. 
      February 6, 2017 2:51 PM MST
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  • I think Firesign Theater in general would be up your ally. Good stuff.
      February 6, 2017 2:57 PM MST
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  • What Columbus "discovered" was the Bahamas archipelago and then the island later named Hispaniola, now split into Haiti and the Dominican Republic. On his subsequent voyages he went farther south, to Central and South America. He never got close to what is now called the United States.

    Source:  http://www.livescience.com/16468-christopher-columbus-myths-flat-earth-discovered-americas.html
      February 6, 2017 2:44 PM MST
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  • America doesn't have anything to do with  the USA in this context.
      February 6, 2017 2:47 PM MST
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  • I see that now.
      February 6, 2017 2:50 PM MST
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  • I only know what I learned from pop songs in the 1950s: 

    "Columbus say to the Spanish king, I think this world is a very fine thing,
    And just to prove that the world is round, United States has never been found."
      February 6, 2017 3:00 PM MST
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  • This is part of the page I linked earlier ....
    Columbus set out to prove the World was round. If he did, he was about 2,000 years too late. Ancient Greek mathematicians had already proven that the Earth was round, not flat. 
      February 6, 2017 3:06 PM MST
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  • That was Eratosthenes about 240 BCE. He also calculated it's circumference and, depending on which of two measurements he used for the old "stadia" he was remarkably accurate.
      February 6, 2017 8:07 PM MST
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