Discussion»Statements»Rosie's Corner» I totally get why many folks stay far away from politics. Political parties do not attract optimum folks with honorable motives! Why?
No idea and as usual you raise an excellent and very thought provoking question....
There is a saying here that anyone who wants to be a politician shouldn't be one... and that the only reason we should vote is to make sure the wrong back-stabbing Bar-steward doesn't win...
I am an optimist as I am always saying, I believe in people and I believe in the good within them.. that most want to do good... and so I have to believe that many politicians are basically good and basically want to do good for the people of their country... well ok then there might be one or two who do
Thank you for the compliment my friend. I appreciate it. I have always thought those who are drawn to jobs where carrying loaded guns is part of the legal entitlement as is using them to shoot and kill and get away with it are the very ones who should NEVER hold those jobs. Which is saying exactly what you said. I think there are Republicans who despise the Mafia Don but are terrified of him so they roll over and defend/comply/deny because they know if they don't he will seek to destroy them. What we need are some Pols who are brave but I doubt they exist. Different topic. The only reason I can come up with for the Mafia Don going over the deep edge for Russia/Putin is that Putin is blackmailing him. That idea is not new. It's been floated before. Unless the Mafia Don is a Russian operative that is the only reason that makes sense. I'm gonna ask that question. Of course I'll be attacked by the Mafia Don adorers. What else is new? Thank you for your reply DdbTD and Happy Friday to thee! :)
LOL if you aren't making waves you aren't kicking :) so in other words, you are doing nothing ... and that's NOT you. Keep it up :)
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at February 10, 2017 5:01 AM MST
Political parties are divisive by there nature. Whenever a group forms it's not long before the benefit and existence of the group takes prime focus and the purpose for it's creation goes away. It becomes about the entity itself continuing on and being at the top. We seen over and over again with political parties and organizations of nations. Even when their purpose doesn't exist anymore or their goal is accomplished the "team" starts to fight and find reasons so it can still exist as a "team".
Frankenstein monster by definition. Planned obsolescence and forced retirement is the answer but that is quickly thwarted by manufactured crisis. No way around any of it. It is the human condition. Global Warming is possibly part manufactured and look at the good intention and politics wrapped up in it.
This post was edited by O-uknow at February 8, 2017 8:51 AM MST
Bear with me Glis. Take you and me for example. We don't see eye-to-eye on some stuff but it doesn't rise to the level of wanting to destroy each other or harm each other. We can disagree and still remain polite/cordial and dare I say friendly? We don't hate each other or vilify each other or lie about each other. We disagree. So what? Now I speak only for myself not you. I'm a normal ordinary typical average everyday person. Nothing special. I have definite views to be sure. So do you. Why is it we can still get along despite disagreeing and the folks in the political parties can't? It is as though they are mandated to be as underhanded and cruel and mean-spirited and dishonest about one another as possible or they will be branded DINO and RINO. Isn't that stupidly and dumbly silly? Maybe you can explain it to me because honestly I just don't get it! Thank you for your reply Glis! :)
The problem isn't the party a person represents.. The problem is the RULE that ENCOURAGES/ALLOWS for professional politicians..
You're absolutely right about MOTIVES.. IF your motive is to WIN re-election, and winning re-election is a VERY expensive proposition, you DO what the money men want you to do..
But, if you CAN'T run again, you'll DO what the people want you to do..
Nahhh... In theory, term limits get RID of the power structure. So, a politician who has NO more power than his neighbor, ISN'T of much value to businessmen.. Of course, there are ALWAYS people who'll sell their souls.. But, term limits, again, should surround that guy with people who wouldn't let him get away with it..
It's true. I DO have a Pollyanna view of the world..
excon
This post was edited by excon at February 10, 2017 5:03 AM MST
Again no, your vote is power enough and the ability to introduce legislation beneficial to lobbyists gives you much power. All that's left is to persuade others to go along by whatever means necessary.
This post was edited by O-uknow at February 10, 2017 7:42 AM MST
I attribute honorable intentions by those seeking office.. If there weren't any goodies to be had, there would be NO OTHER reason to run except honorable intentions.
Which brings up another benefit of term limits.. I'm gonna use ME as an example.. Years ago, I was an up and coming young Democrat. People asked me to run for office, and I WANTED to.. BUT, I couldn't WIN and SAY the things I wanted to say. I'd have to be "political"... I CAN'T do that. I WOULDN'T do that.
But, if term limits prevented me from running again, I could say the things that NEED to be said.. I wouldn't have to kiss anybody's hind end.
excon
This post was edited by excon at February 10, 2017 8:23 AM MST
Much, much less so here, but there were always questions in the past re donations and especially one of the major donors to our labour party used always to be the trade unions so there was an argument that the labour party existed or was mainly just carrying out the wishes of the trade unions. Less so now but it's an argument for giving each party a specific set amount to campaign with.
So what you're saying is that once you are a Professional ethics/morals/integrity are of no value? Oh Vey. OK. Let's abolish professionals and let everyone remain a Newbie. Think that would work? Thank you for your reply excon and Happy Friday! :)
In the beginning they do but in politics there is compromise of one's ideals to further goals and advance the wishes of constituents. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions applies. That and then personal survival comes into play.
This post was edited by O-uknow at February 10, 2017 4:58 AM MST
Ya know.. I know no one will believe me but I do think things are different here.. in general we aren't at all immune from the same pressures, or similar but there are many, many, many who stick to their morals ...and eventually resign when they feel there is danger of that being compromised... recent example Ian Duncan Smith, I'm not saying I am a fan but he believed it was wrong to cut certain benefits..etc.. Zac Goldsmith tho bless him he's an idiot sometimes.. etc
So they start off as nice guys/gals and become bums, thugs and mugs because of the job itself? Why in the he** would anyone want a job like that? Thank you for your reply O and Happy Friday m'dear! :)
Touche. So you're saying that anyone drawn to politics is power hungry. I hadn't thought of it that way. I think they're all out to grab/steal what they can to enrich themselves at our expense but the power angle? I think you're right. They want to fashion the world to their liking according to their goals/views/rigid ideology and that takes power. Or blackmail! Thank you for your reply DWF! It is helpful! :)
Benedict Arnold 