Discussion»Statements»Rosie's Corner» 3-5 million illegals voted. Busloads of illegals from Massachusetts voted. Dead people voted. Folks voted twice. Believe it?
LOL yea i know... I am talking to one of those poor unfortunates who truly believes that utter nonsense on another site.. bless her, she isn't too bright and so she really cannot see... evidence and the utter insaneness and illogic of what she's saying is lost on her.. they believe it almost like a mantra... why? who knows? THey seem unable even to question why it matters as their nut-job fruitcake is in office .. you'd think they had sense enough to get that if he's there why waste time believing and getting all hot under the collar about something that doesn't matter.. now if the Angry Satsuma had lost.. well sure they could get their knickers in a twist about it and then seek to PROVE it..
It's an insane ridiculous claim that really just shows how loopy the prez is.. maybe the orange hideous one NEEDS to keep his equally loopy supporters angry and focussed to stop them realising he's doing the opposite of making America great again?
There are none so blind as those who will not see. it is a waste of breath m'dear. They use sources that are blatantly racist/bigoted/skewed as if they are the sine qua non of truth when in reality it is all absurd nonsensical and desperate lying to cover up the FACT of FAILURE! Desperation is not pretty. Desperate people will do anything to keep their beliefs alive. Anything. Sadly. Thank you for your thoughtful answer DdbTD and Happy Sunday to thee! :)
I have posted numerous links on here proving all of these things happened. The comment I get most is it is not that many. Not enough to change any results. Just this year in Michigan there were several countries who could not be part of the recount because they had more votes than registered voters. That is proof and current proof of fraud and illegal voting.
Of course it was dismissed by the media. They counties were all Dem strongholds. Thank you Jill Stein for bringing this to light.
Link to several cases (not 14 individual votes) discovered before the election
The audit in Michigan doesn't really back up your claims of widespread voter fraud here, m2c. There were 31 cases of people voting twice found. The problems were largely attributed to human error, and and most precincts ineligible for recount (entire counties were not excluded, only precincts) were off by a single ballot and most of the rest by between two and five ballots.
As shown at the links, m2c, in the worst county for precincts found ineligible to be counted here, which includes Detroit, the audit did not even come close to that.
Interestingly the link doesn't show predominantly illegals it shows people trying to vote twice, using false addresses, using dead people's identities etc. and it noted that some of those accused of voter fraud were allying themselves with the Republicans.. so.. interesting phenomenon but no evidence of illegals per-se let alone in their millions.
I did not claim voter fraud is nonexistent, m2c. I simply pointed out that using Michigan during this past election as an example does not prove it is the issue you believe it to be. Nor do I believe it to be rampant, as you do, certainly not here.
I don't know how rampant it is....we don't know. I believe we should secure our election system. I think we should just take the steps to fix it. No need to waste money investigating just fix it. So we know it not a problem.
This post was edited by my2cents at February 11, 2017 5:45 PM MST
I do not disagree with the changes you wish to make, m2c, but neither am I naive enough to think it will completely eliminate election fraud.
This post was edited by Bozette at February 12, 2017 3:36 PM MST
That's debatable. I believe that there is far more potential for election fraud that does not involve actual voter fraud, both currently and with the changes you desire.
Personally I don't like the electronic voting for what you are talking about....there is a huge possibility of fraud with the count. I prefer the paper ballot and think even with the electronic should print the ballot.
It is easier to maniulate votes with electronic systems without paper backups, true, but paper ballots do not stop fraud. There are also other ways to manipulate the vote that can be conducted by government officials and are just as fraudulent, if not moreso. JMHO
Thank you for your reply B and the links and Happy Sunday to thee! I don't think m2c will accept anything you write. She is CERTAIN that what she said is right. Thank you for trying though. I appreciate your setting the record straight! I do! :)
But the point is.. there's no evidence that it was anywhere 3.5 million.. that's what discredits the whole claim.. it's extreme, it's laughably illogical.. and why does it even matter, the Arrogant One won, so why is he getting his panties, (knickers!) in a twist about this and making up claims using unbelievable numbers? That just makes him attract more discredit and ridicule. I am not one for conspiracy theories but one wonders whether this is just the Angry Satsuma's attempt to keep his minions/supporters angry, to distract them maybe?
And how come the Trumpet supporters are getting their knickers in a twist about this meddling in the election and saying even a few votes matter, (they didn't cos the Strumpet won!) but are happy to turn a blind eye and dismiss the fact that the immoral/unethical publicising that there was another investigation to be held re CLinton emails caused her loss of votes? And ditto that The Hideous one and his supporters are happy to ignore the fact that Russians are acknowledged to have meddled in the election.. but jump up and down like crazy at the mere thought that a few illegals may, (and there's no proof) have voted in very small numbers..
It doesn't make sense to the objective observer, nor many even within the country
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at February 11, 2017 3:24 PM MST
How do we know the number? Our system is made so as to hide fraud because of the sanctity of the secret ballot. We know there is voter fraud/registration fraud/voter machine fraud whatever you want to call it. I call it all voter fraud generally.
We know dead people have voted, we know illegals have voted, we know people have claimed the machines recorded their votes incorrectly, we know people have voted more than once, ......we need to secure our election system. Start with voter ID make it required, 2nd require citizenship verification to register, 3rd you only register at the DMV...4th when voting with electric machine it should print out the ballot so If needed the paper ballots are available for recount or simple audit of system.
FWIW I agree with you, lol given our oh so perfect and un-corrupt system here lol, I am outraged on behalf of the Citizens of America. So we are in agreement that it's a shocking and reprehensible thing, this voter fraud stuff.. My problem lies in the fact that when folks start bandying around numbers like 3.5 million with no proof that it's anywhere near that number - that just discredits them and makes them look silly. No one's gonna take them seriously when they act in such an illogical way..
As you say there is no proof either way of the number... so why claim this outrageous number? and act like it's so? Why claim it's illegals? And what I also don't get ... is why there's a fuss about that but not about the very inopportune timing and the very public nature of the email investigation re Clinton, or the fact that it was Ruskies that had caused it..
I can be objective about this as I am neither a Trump or a Clinton supporter..I am just applying logic and reason..
Benedict Arnold 