Discussion»Questions»Life and Society» Boston Police Department...2000-2500 strong. Charlottesvile force was much smaller. Now we know how to prepare for ugly. Don't we?
Who is showing up? I don't know what uglies or what pretties expect to show up. Here ya go. Let's read this sucker, everyone.
Thanks, Rosie.
News Aug 18 2017, 11:14 am ET Thousands Expected to Attend Boston Protests of Right-Wing Rally
by Phil McCausland
Interest in two major protests opposed to Saturday’s right-wing “free speech” assembly in a Boston park has swelled in the aftermath of the deadly white nationalist rally in Virginia last weekend.
The “Boston Free Speech Rally” — organized by a coalition of groups calling themselves "libertarian" and "conservative" — has been on the books since late July and the protests were organized not long after by ANSWER Coalition Boston and the local chapter of Black Lives Matter (BLM).
But since a group of neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Ku Klux Klan members took to the streets in Charlottesville, Virginia — ostensibly to protest the planned removal of a Confederate statue — the expected attendance by protesters has grown substantially. [The Battle Over Free Speech Rages On] The Battle Over Free Speech Rages On 1:40
“It went from a few hundred to well over 1,000 to now roughly 3,000 pretty quickly,” said ANSWER Coalition Boston organizer Nino Brown. “There are about 10,000 interested in our event, according to Facebook.”
A BLM-organized demonstration called “Fight Supremacy” experienced the same growth, raising more than $20,000 by Thursday night and suddenly expecting more than 10,000 attendees.
But city and state officials warned Friday that they have a plan in place in case violence breaks out in Boston's downtown. They said at a news conference that over 500 police officers, including some undercover and with cameras, will be on patrol, they will search people with backpacks, and close roads to traffic.
"If anything gets out of hand, we will shut it down," said Mayor Marty Walsh. He added that police are anticipating 200 or more protesters on both sides, and urged people to remain peaceful.
The BLM group noted in a statement that Charlottesville served as a “glaring” reminder, but noted they planned to address more nuanced forms of intolerance and bigotry.
“While it is our intention to send a message to those who would subject marginalized communities to domestic white terrorism, hate speech, and violence, we also stand in opposition to the most insidious and deadly forms of white supremacy,” BLM Boston said in a statement. “These include, but are not limited to: mass incarceration, income inequality, anti-immigration initiatives, police and local law enforcement, and housing and employment discrimination.” Image: Black Lives Matter Protest Black Lives Matter protesters march during the Inauguration of Donald Trump on January 20, 2017 in Washington. Christopher Levy / Cal Sport Media via AP Images
ANSWER Coalition also emphasized that their protest would not be a one-note demonstration and would also address institutionalized and government-based elements of white supremacy and intolerance.
With the sudden influx in interest, the protest groups warned those planning to join them on Saturday that there is a risk of injury, but said they would bring "marshals," safety teams and legal observers to ensure attendees' welfare.
Black Lives Matter and ANSWER Coalition made it clear that they do not condone violence, but Antifa, the coalition of more militant left-wingers, is also expected to make an appearance, though the group lacks official permits.
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While Antifa has often been present at protests across the country, they are a decentralized group and have made no statements about their presence.
“Though we don’t agree with Antifa’s tactics and strategy and adventurism, we respect their willingness to put their bodies on the line to fight fascists,” Brown explained.
The organizers also resent the label of “alt-left” placed on them by President Donald Trump.
“It’s a distraction because we don’t mirror the alt-right,” Brown said. “The alt-right is trying to hide its politics, and we have nothing to hide.” [Trump's racial attitudes have been no secret] Trump's racial attitudes have been no secret 6:28
He said racist and oppressive ideas are being buoyed by the Trump administration, which means organizing is ever more important.
“Those ideas and ideology are in the White House right now, so they have the largest platform to spread their lies and bigotry,” said Brown. “It’s impossible to destroy without organizing.”
ANSWER Coalition, which also brought out thousands of protesters to Trump’s inauguration in January, are working alongside the Coalition to Organize and Mobilize Boston Against Trump as well as a number of local activist and socialist organizations to hold “Stand for Solidarity” at 11 a.m. outside the Boston State House.
Black Lives Matter’s protest begins at Reggie Lewis Track and Athletic Center in downtown Boston at 10 a.m. ET, and the organizers plan to march the two miles to Boston Common, where the so-called “Free Speech” rally will take place. ANSWER Coalition will merge its protest later in the day.
The city’s Parks Department provided the “Boston Free Speech” rally with a permit after a meeting between organizers and police on Wednesday.
Officials plan to place dump trucks at intersections around Boston Common to block vehicles and plan on searching bags. No large bags, sticks or weapons are allowed. Image: Marty Walsh Boston Mayor Marty Walsh speaks during a town hall event on June 1, 2017 in Boston. file Elise Amendola / AP file
"I didn't want them to get a permit, quite honestly," Walsh said, according to NBC Boston, "but we also believe in free speech."
The permit allows for 100 people to attend. Neither ANSWER Coalition Boston nor Black Lives Matter have acquired permits for the protests.
Walsh later told WGBH Greater Boston that he’s confident there will be no violent repeats of Charlottesville, stating that he believed Saturday’s group is not the same as those who appeared in Virginia.
This is the second rally planned by the Boston Free Speech Coalition. In May, the event was made up of self-described libertarians and Trump supporters as well as Oathkeepers and American Patriot Three Percenters — the latter two groups attended the “Unite the Right Rally” in Charlottesville.
John Medlar, one of the organizers, has told multiple media organizations that the rally is not intended for white supremacists, neo-Nazis or members of the Ku Klux Klan and has made it clear that the “Boston Free Speech Rally” is not for those who attended the protests in Charlottesville. He also claimed the event was for liberals and posted an email he wrote on Facebook that seems to indicate he invited Black Lives Matter’s Boston chapter to send a speaker.
NBC News was not able to confirm the authenticity of the invitation.
“We are seeing this kind of rebranding of what white supremacy is since Charlottesville, but we are not buying this at all,” said ANSWER Coalition Boston organizer Kim Barzola. [Who were the counter-protesters? We asked a witness] Who were the counter-protesters? We asked a witness 3:42
A number of scheduled speakers who were supposed to attend — right-wing firebrands Gavin McInnes and Tim Gionet (also known as Baked Alaska) — decided to avoid the rally altogether in light of Charlottesville. Both have shared fears of being labeled white supremacists via social media and claimed to disavow violence.
Current speakers include congressional candidates Shiva Ayyadurai and Samson Racioppi as well as former InfoWars writer Joe Biggs. Kyle Chapman, a California activist who gained notoriety for bashing an Antifa protester with a stick and earned the nickname “Based Stickman,” will also speak.
Chapman founded the Fraternal Order of Alt Knights, which is to be the “tactical defensive arm” of McInnes’ mens-rights organization, the Proud Boys.
Nevertheless, Medlar maintains the rally’s aims are nonviolent and will promote free speech for all — except hate groups.
"We absolutely denounce the KKK, neo-Nazis, ID Evropa, Vanguard — all these legit hate groups. We have nothing to do with them and you don’t want them here, we don’t want them here,” Medlar said, according to NBC Boston. “If they want to come have their own rally, we don’t want any part of it.”
It becomes a contest to see which city or state can come up with the biggest show of force. It's also a matter of necessity if you don't want the media criticizing your efforts and readiness to handle trouble. With everyone upping the ante, something's got to give and real soon.
I am loving every upset that is anti-Trump. Hooray for the nation. THIS IS WHAT IS MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. We will only stand for so much bullsh*T.
ENOUGH.
First a SHOW of force and a SHOW that we know how to control FORCE. If that does not happen, then we will lose everything we are standing against.
It will go the way of the NAZI party and they will win. We cannot strike back. We need to do what India did in the 40's and just sit down and show the world what is happening here. What Trump's Amerika hath wrought everyone.
The stated goal of White Supremacists is the annihilation of all people of color. To that end they will do what they can so they tell us. If there are enough of them "locked and loaded" then we're in a lot of trouble. If not which may be the more likely case they're cowards and wimps and scairdy cats and it might be okay for awhile. I saw a White Supremacist who threatened death to Charlottesvilles protesters saying there would be a lot more death to follow. Next day on TV he was crying and whining saying his life was being threatened and he was afraid. Beneath the bravado they are all COWARDS, scairy cats and wimps. Thank you for your reply G.
So, you WANT a fascist police state in the US? And all because a group you don't agree with exercised their 1st Amendment Rights to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances? (And it WAS peaceful contrary to what the Media wants you to believe.) Maybe we could model your new police state after one of the Socialist states from the past; maybe the Gestapo, or the SS's Sicherheitsdienst, or the Stasi from a slightly later period in German history? Or maybe even the Cheka or the NKVD? That would be about the right speed for the liberal left, so long as THEY have control. But I don't think that's worked out too well for anyone across the pages of time.
As to the incomplete numbers you present . . . Boston would seem to be a rather peaceful town, overall. A rough "back of the napkin" look indicates that they have about one police officer for every 336 citizens (which REALLY boosts my respect for them with the handling of that Muslim terrorist attack a few years back). NYC has one police officer for about every 244 citizens (and that's the police department, proper; doesn't count police auxiliary, school police officers and others).
But you fail to mention the number of police officers available in C-ville. If staffing is comparable to Boston is should be somewhere around 130, if NYC's staffing level is considered it would be around 180. While you're making your "count" don't forget to include UVA campus police, the Albemarle County Sheriff's Department and the Virginia State Police in addition to the Charlottesville Police Department in those numbers . . .
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