Just as Trump equated WHITE RACISTS with those who protested against them so too do Trump supporters follow suit. Why?

Of course, America could always nationalise its health service, as we did. But I don't expect Doofus Donny's apologists want to do that.

And it will never happen because nobody wants their taxes raised enough to cover the cost.

Under the system we have, no one is consciously aware of paying tax towards it, as it is paid through the National Insurance stamp. This Wikipedia article explains it better than I could.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance
Anyhow, the point I was making was, if 2cents is worried about health insurance premiums, she wouldn't have to pay them ever again, under our system. Which was, admittedly, a side-track from the main question here.

So, you don't have to pay taxes in the UK if you don't want to? Because if I understand you correctly you are paying for health-care insurance premiums when you pay taxes. You're just being kept ignorant of how much you're individually paying towards that health-care insurance. 

This article explains NHS funding. Part of it is paid through the insurance stamp, and part through general taxation.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded?gclid=CjwKCAjwxJnNBRAMEiwA8X_-QduBabyhoJIDrUSFPFfXHTqgjfa0fovw7XUEMwmKOo9sTt_V1Ll0ChoCF-EQAvD_BwE
You continually miss the point when I, and others, try to explain the benefits of a nationalised health service. We never have to worry about not getting health care, we never have to worry about being charged to visit our GP, or go into hospital. We never have to worry about paying health insurance premiums. As America continues to try to make insurance-based health care work, and continues to fail, coming eleventh out of eleven in the health care systems of the leading developed countries, with our NHS being at the top, I respectfully suggest it is time the USA tried something else.
https://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/2017/07/the-commonwealth-fund-releases-its-fifth-report-on-health-care-systems-in-11-wealthy-countries

The first link you provide does show that someone is paying for that healthcare coverage in the UK. it's NOT "free". In this case it's "the British Taxpayer". But I'm starting to get the impression that there's a HUGE welfare class in the UK that doesn't actually have to pay taxes, but is supported by those few that do. Either that, or Brits are too uneducated to realize that tax dollars actually come out of their pockets and don't get to where intended until a middleman (the government) gets their "cut". The second link is a dead link (perhaps your NHS doesn't want people outside of the UK to have a peek?)
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Anyhow, I didn't try to wade through that "report", but maybe you can answer a few simple questions about the whole mess? How much is disbursed through the NHS annually? How much is that per taxpayer? How much is that per citizen under the care of the NHS? How many times per year does each person covered by the NHS actually use the services? This post was edited by Salt and Red Pepper at September 2, 2017 3:08 PM MDT

No-one ever said the NHS was free. It is free at the point of entry, as in, you don't pay when you actually visit the doctor, hospital, or whatever. I'll have another go at posting that Commonwealth Fund link, there does seem to be a problem with the first one.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2014/jun/us-health-system-ranks-last

I hope that works, this time. The NHS spends something like £124 billion annually, which per person amounts to about £2,200. The NHS deals with one million patients every 36 hours, and the per person cost is about £3,442.
Now, I have a question for you. How many times do you believe the USA should try to make private insurance based health care work, before you all finally admit it isn't, and try a different approach? And, if our system is so bad, how come so few of us want to adopt yours? 84% of us believe the NHS should continue to be publicly funded, as shown here,
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/nationalisation-vs-privatisation-public-view/
We have the democratic right to choose the health care system we want, so why don't you respect that? One thing is for sure. We are not going to take lectures on how to do heath care from the country rated only eleventh out of the eleven developed countries. It is your system that is a mess! This post was edited by HarryDemon at September 4, 2017 7:23 AM MDT

No that Commonwealth Fund link still isn't working. What is up with the blasted thing! It works when I find it through Google. I suggest you Google top eleven countries health care, and look for the Commonwealth fund one.

How many British taxpayers are there to pay into that "pool"? (I thought I asked that, but maybe not?) I'm interested in how much of a tax burden that expenditure is for each British taxpayer.

Private health-care / health-care insurance did work brilliantly in the USA for many years. That's one of the reasons we had the very best health-care system in the world. Then bureaucrats saw an opportunity to swell their ranks and lawyers an opportunity to over-fill their pockets. THAT is what needed to be corralled. 

The effort to "nationalize" it is what's killing it right now. And considering that the USA already has a number of "socialized" (government run) healthcare systems that are in various stages of failure the's plenty to fear. Those systems include Medicare (a Ponzi scheme where those covered are having greater and greater portions of the costs shifted directly to them, a "scheme" predicted to run out of money in about 10-years), the several States' Medicaid programs (which account for most of the budgets of the several States), and our most abysmal failure, the Veterans Administration (a giant hole that we keep trying to fill with money). And that failure of the VA will pale in comparison to the eventual financial failure of Obamacare. Well over half of the Obamacare State insurance exchanges have already gone defunct. Look at all that and the ultimate "success" of socialized health-care systems in places like Venezuela, Cuba, the former Soviet Union . . . you should be wondering how much longer it can be sustained in Europe and Canada. 

Now a question for you . . . how many major medical advances have come out of the UK since the NHS went into effect? How many came out of the Soviet Union under its socialist health-cae days (vs, how many have come out of the Russian Federation)? In addition to bureaucrats running the system who don't care one bit about those that they're to serve it rapidly morphs into "years of tradition unhampered by progress". I dare say that if the NHS had been in effect 200-years ago barbers would be still be wearing the "white coats" and bloodletting would continue to be the preferred treatment for most maladies. 

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Oh.  Your health insurance premiums are what this is ALL ABOUT?

LOL  then you need to get rid of the liar.

The question was about the lies of Trump vs. the lies of Obama......

I don't personally have health insurance.

Yeah.  Well, guess what, I DO have it and it is wonderful.  Trump wants to take it away.  Because he needs my money to build a wall. 

The repeal that McCain killed was not taking anything away.  It was repealing the mandates. Meaning you don't have to sign up if you don't want.

The Great Unyielding Truth of any socialization of risk by insurance is that people must be compelled to participate in the pool, even if they don't directly benefit.

Many drivers pay thousands of dollars in car insurance premiums over many years and never file a claim. Their being "ripped off" cross-subsidizes the costs incurred by those drivers who are unfortunate enough to file claims.

So, yes, by removing mandates which force the young/healthy/lucky to enter insurance pools to cross-subsidize the old/unhealthy/unlucky IS taking away insurance from the less fortunate. You CANNOT have a health insurance pool consisting only of the old/sick/unlucky, any more than you can have a car insurance pool which only covers bad/unlucky drivers.

Your other alternatives are:

A) Fee for service...in which case if you happen to be poor/sick/unlucky...F**K YOU!

or

B) Socialization by public utility (i.e. everyone pays into the pool via taxes, everyone benefits)

So, pop quiz, hotshot: which do you choose?

(Yes, Old School helped me with this reply)

Car insurance was not always required. And the rates were not that bad.

No, those are not the only 2 choices.
We can let the free market work. Let people purchase from any insurance company they want regardless of which state they live in.
We can give a refundable rebate only for health insurance.....to give people money to make these insurance companies compete for that money. I think McCain talked about that in 2008 ($5000 per adult). It was one of the few ideas of McCain's I liked. If there is a big hunk of change out there, the insurance companies will do what it takes to get their hands on it before the other does.


Vermont tried single payer and even they in that dark dark blue state failed.

Really? That's quite surprising as you live in a State where the premiums more than doubled in the last year so I have questions . . .

For starters, how old are you (that determines premium rates and whether or not you have a supplemental plan to your primary Medicare benefits as opposed to a primary coverage plan)? How much is your monthly premium (or how much would it be without subsidization)? How much of that premium is subsidized, paid for by someone else? How much is your annual deductible? Is it "dual" deductable in that one part of the "dual" applies to "in-network" providers and there's a parallel decuctable for out-of-network"providers? Is there an out-of-pocket annual cap? Who pays the premium should you become ill and unable to work? How many times have you had to actually use that coverage? 

And if it is so wonderful why has Congress essentially exempted themselves from having to participate in it? 

We did. Obama left office back in January.

We?  Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

This will make as much of an impact as asking Trump to stop.


https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt¶m2=8b28bd47-682d-43bb-9ed6-a75cc35c2f2a¶m3=maps_4.0.3~US~appfocus1¶m4=googlemaps-googledisplay-v12~Firefox~answermug+complaints¶m1=20170712&p=answermug+complaints&type=ma_appfocus1_ff This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at August 25, 2017 10:20 AM MDT

LOL. I'm not asking him to stop and I'm not asking Rosie to stop, just to dial it down by a few dozen per day.

I know.  You are being extremely reasonable and rational.