Discussion»Statements»Rosie's Corner» Global citizen versus Nationalist. From which group would you expect the most valuable contributions to mankind? Is Self-Centered ever BEST?
Nationalists. Globalism is pure evil. Talk of the world coming together is just positive spin for the ultimate oppressive empire. It's the age old dream of psychopaths throughout history.
Nationalism is important because it's inextricable from democracy. In a globalized world, meaningful democracy is simply impossible. The world is too diverse to agree on anything. Any global government would be a dictatorship. The superior values of western civilization would be corrupted by backward inferior cultures.
Nations compete with each other and that ensures that the citizens of a nation will always have value to the ruling class. Our elites need us to compete with other elites. If a world government forms there is no competition and the value of human life would fall to zero. In fact it would have a negative value because we'd be consuming resources without performing any useful function. If a world government forms, the first thing it will do is exterminate about 90% of the world population to save resources.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at December 28, 2017 6:06 PM MST
Globalism is a lot easier to sell to people than nationalism. People associate globalism with peace and love and think Nationalism is racial hatred and thuggery. Nationalism needs a facelift to appear more respectable
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 28, 2017 6:18 AM MST
Globalism will never be the worldwide Kumbayafest that people envision. It would entail a forced conformity that would leave no one happy...excepting those in control.
Nationalism is about sovereignty, and that nationalists respect the rights of all nations to their own sovereignty belies the BS about "racial hatred and thuggery."
In the UK government creates groups like “Britain first“ and “national action”. Not real nationalist organisations. Just groups that are designed to attract thugs to go on marches over Halal meat and that sort of nonsense.
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 28, 2017 6:40 AM MST
I am only vaguely familiar with the first group, but not with the second. I got the impression the former focused on the influx of immigrants there, which is a valid concern, though not the sole focus of nationalism.
Yeah I’m pretty certain that they are set by government. Immigration is a valid concern, but those groups do nothing to help our cause. They demonise us.
Ah, gotcha. Yes, our government infiltrates groups, too. That is inherently a problem with such groups. And yes, most of the big mouthpieces start out okay, then become less and less credible over time. I don't know how it is there, but I see a great deal of nationalist beliefs among ordinary people who belong to no organizations or groups, and many of whom haven't a clue about Alex Jones, PJW, or other controversial pot-stirrers.
I don't agree with this guy. There is nothing extreme about Tommy Robinson / Alex Jones / PJW.
I definitely believe that governments provocateur. Though the purpose of that is to push his weak compromise. This is the kind of person who will ultimately not do anything until his granddaughter is on her knees in a burka. This guy is promoting the liberal lie that multiculturalism can be made to work if we all just compromise. It can't.
Islam and western values are inherently incompatible. Islam and the west have been in conflict for a millennium. Every nation in the world with a Muslim population above 20% and less than 100% has massive unrest. Islam is a threat to western civilization and immigration must be stopped to maintain our cultural dominance.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at December 31, 2017 9:16 AM MST
He plans to set up his own nationalist political party and get a real nationalist into Westminster. He got Nick Griffin into parliament. He isn’t supporting multiculturalism. Why do you think that?How is Alex Jones not extreme? He’s a fruitcake
Nick Griffin is a racist. I've never heard Robinson say anything racist and I have never heard him call for violence. I admit he has gone to the edge of what I consider wholesome. For me, nationalism is about culture not race. I'm dead anti anyone who makes it about race.
I feel the guy in the video is criticizing without offering alternative. He is claiming that the strong rhetoric of Tommy Robinson is making things worse and accuses him of being an agent provocateur, though he doesn't say what we should do instead. He says people want "a political solution". I find that very vague.
This is an enormously difficult struggle. There is danger the message will be misunderstood, twisted by provocateurs etc, though it's equally dangerous is to be weak. Western civilization is going to collapse unless radical action is taken. This fight will not be won without some bruising some feelings.
People like Robinson are necessary. We need thick skinned hard nosed people who can go through the sh*t storm of liberal outrage and push the issues mainstream. We need to open the Overton window.
I think Alex Jones is a great guy. What has he said that you find extreme?
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at December 31, 2017 9:16 AM MST
Alex Jones is controlled opposition just as tommy Robinson is. Why do we need people like them? I saw Alex Jones give a talk a few years ago near London. Hes an idiot. Hes a Charleton, he sells colloidal silver to vulnerable people. You can check joe Owens history online. Try checking Alex Jones‘s history.
We won’t win by walking up and down high streets chanting and holding placards
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 28, 2017 10:50 AM MST
Colloidal silver is highly effective. I took it when I had dental problems. Life saver and no side effects (unlike the antibiotics the drug industry pushes). (Yes it can be dangerous if overdoses are taken, but so can everything else.)
The real government operatives constantly accuse people of being government operatives to divide us and sow a paranoid atmosphere. Alex Jones has done massive damage to the system. They just wish they'd killed him 15 years ago before he got too big.
There are no reliable sources to look into Alex Jones' history online. It's all fake news. I see nothing credible.
"We won’t win by walking up and down high streets chanting and holding placards".
What would you suggest is the optimal strategy then?
It's a difficult situation. Western civilization is probably over. The average person is a f***ing moron leftist and they will never ever wake up, even when everything collapses. They'll just blame us and become even more convinced they're right. Even if we have no future, it's better to do something than to do nothing.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at December 31, 2017 9:16 AM MST
I want to see a real nationalist party for Britain that isn’t controlled by zionist‘s
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at December 28, 2017 11:20 AM MST
I don't believe Israel is a significant power. They have a seat at the table of the new world order, but I think many exaggerate their influence. Many of the big players pretend to be Jews when they aren't. It's cover. They use it to smear anyone who criticizes them as anti Semitic.
Though even if you're right and they're a hidden hand at the root of everything, so what? Obsessing about WHO is responsible for the ills of the world is pointless. It's far more important to focus on WHAT is happening (i.e. imminent social and economic collapse) and try to stop it. We can figure out who to blame after the demise of civilization has been averted.
Zeitgeist 