Using children's healthcare (CHIPS) or futures (DACA) for political gain is insane, cruel, evil. What monsters would ever do that? WHY?

You decided to throw kids out of the country YOU did.  Not any Democrat.

DACA is not ended....the deadline is not until March for the Congress to do its job. But the deadline for CHIPS funding is NOW for American Children. Many states will be forced to remove these American Children from their healthcare.  Glad YOU are okay with that. 

The Republicant's don't want DACA and now they do.  Make up my mind.

It is about timing, you have to secure the border first.  Or we will have to deal with this yet again in 20-30 years.
You still ok with millions of American children loosing their health insurance? This post was edited by my2cents at January 21, 2018 12:52 PM MST

What are you even talking about now?  Am I okay with WHAT?  This LIAR of a President announced he cut taxes that will wind up costing middle America all the money that the rich are going to save.  Who is peeing on the American Public's leg and telling them it is raining?

He has to save face and put up some bull**** wall that will do squat to prevent anything, just to shut his silly base up.   That wall which was 35 feet high is now a 3 foot fence and even nonexistent in most areas.    Who is he kidding with this nonsense.  His puppet even says he did not know what he was doing or saying referring to this wall.

"He's evolving".   Oh, yeah, that will be the day.

He doesn't know what this whole meeting is even about.  All he knows is what his assinine base tells him from one minute to the next.

He had everything he asked for and then had to shoot his big mouth off.  WHAT A MORON.

You are deflecting....we were talking about DACA and CHIPs....look above if you don't remember. 

Not deflecting anything.  You only care about DACA now that you have been shamed into realizing what you are forbidding.  The freedoms of innocents who have no claim in the Republican game of throwing out immigrants as if it means ANYTHING to do this.

Look above?  I have looked at this whole process.  The Republicans are sickening.  They don't care about anything but their own stupid agenda.  

They could care less about DACA or CHIPS.  Give me a break.  Unless they have a steak in the claim, like they have some slave or maid with kids that they cannot replace, they could care less about immigrant kids being deported.

Let’s clear up a few things right now.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s announcement today that the Trump administration will force the expiration of DACA, the program that gives short-term protections to young undocumented immigrants, is not a “delay”that will give Congress an opportunity to find a permanent legislative solution. Nor is the decision to put off immediate revocation of the program for all of its nearly 800,000 recipients a “compromise” on the part of Donald Trump, who, members of his administration have insisted, has been moved by so-called Dreamers. And no, despite Sessions’s remarks on Tuesday morning describing the decision as the “compassionate” thing to do for the country, it is not.

Effective today, the Trump administration has ended Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the successful program that has granted nearly 800,000 young undocumented immigrants short-term reprieves from deportation along with access to work permits, driver’s licenses, and educational opportunities. A memo released Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security Acting Secretary Elaine Duke, titled “Memorandum on Rescission of Deferred Action for 

USCIS, the agency that processes DACA, will stop accepting new applications immediately. It will assess applications it has already received as of today, “on an individual, case-by-case basis.” Yes, for a key segment of the DACA population, today’s news includes a real benefit. Those whose DACA permits are set to expire within six months (by March 5, 2018) will have one month to file renewal paperwork, and, if they are approved, could theoretically maintain their status until the year 2020. Less than a quarter, or 190,000 young people may be able to apply for renewal before this cutoff, The Washington Post reported.

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But because every person with DACA applies for and receives their approval on an individual basis, every single day someone’s status expires. And those whose DACA is set to expire on or after March 6 will be unable to apply for renewal. According to research from the Cato Institute, nearly 600,000 DACA recipients will see their status expire after that day. That’s the vast majority of those who are currently able to live and work in the country under DACA. For them, this six-month delay is no delay at all.

Janet Perez, a 25-year-old DACA recipient, is one of the luckier ones. She lives in the Bronx and has DACA until 2019. But Perez, who organizes with the New York State Youth Leadership Council, an undocumented-led youth organization, doesn’t see today’s announcement as compassionate. “Whether it’s now in the future, either way it’s still coming to the same conclusion and it’s just prolonging the time frame when it’s going to end,” Perez said.

Once permits expire, DACA recipients will join the ranks of the undocumented, who have already been targeted by the Trump administration’s ramped-up enforcement. Angie Kim, an organizer with the New York City–based immigrant-rights group MinKwon Center for Community Action, said that eventuality is a terrifying prospect for her and others like her. She credits DACA with giving her more than just work authorization.

“I know what it’s like to live in this country without any support or any temporary legal status,” Kim said at a press conference on Tuesday. She credited DACA with giving her the courage to become politically active. “So when DACA came out it meant everything. Five years later, I feel like I’m back in that place again.”

Kim said that for many young people today the Trump administration’s decision will mean lots of hard conversations with family “about making plans if they lose their jobs. Thinking about whether they should self-deport before they’re deported by this [government]. It’s very scary conversations,” Kim said.

In a tweet this morning, Trump said he’d now refer the issue to Congress to fix. So let’s play this out. The six-month delay ostensibly buys the president and lawmakers time to figure out a long-term, legislative solution. It is true that DACA, which existed only at the discretion of the Obama, and now Trump, administrations, has never been a permanent solution for the nation’s young undocumented immigrants (let alone the 11 million undocumented immigrants, total, who are living in the United States). It has never conferred actual legal status on a so-called Dreamer. Those with DACA often described themselves as “DACA-mented.” It was their cheeky acknowledgement that DACA has always been provisional, temporary, and revocable.

If the problem is how to offer young undocumented immigrants who were raised in the United States, who are committed to building their lives in this country, and who have squeaky-clean records some avenue to pursue their educations and careers without fear of deportation and even, possibly, with the potential for legal status, Congress is absolutely the best venue for lasting change.

This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at January 21, 2018 3:04 PM MST

This was a post of mine from Sept. I still feel the same:

https://answermug.com/forums/topic/38302/how-is-it-fair-to-punish-children-for-the-quot-sins-quot-of-t/view/post_id/344164

I am for stopping the idea that the wall is at all useful.  I am against the wall being used as an excuse to stop funding programs for the middle class and poor.

I am for stopping the lies that this bragging tax cut helps anyone but the obscenely wealthy.  He lied about that one too.

I am for not saying whether a child is a criminal or NOT and having that be an issue as to whether or not they stay in a country.  A 12 year old commits a crime and we ship them to another country?  I don't think so.  What do you MEAN they must get a job?  WHAT?   Oh, they are not working through no fault of their own, maybe.  Maybe they don't get a chance to thrive.  Like half the poor already getting screwed by the government SAVING the money for the obscenely rich.

You and your simplistic ideology does not allow for any reality. 

The wall is not taking funding from any safety net programs. That is the Dems and the Schumer Shutdown defunding CHIP.  
The DACA "children" are NOT children....there are no 12 yr old DACA kids. They do not qualify yet. And to qualify for DACA, they must not be a criminal. And either be attending high school or achieved their diploma.  
No job through no fault of their own? As long as they are able bodied, they can get a job. Schooling counts as a job.

"active DACA recipients – 29% are ages 16-20 and 37% are ages 21-25. About a quarter (24%) are ages 26-30, while one-in-ten (11%) are ages 31-36"

No apostrophe. 

No bye; no aloha.



This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at January 22, 2018 8:18 AM MST

That wasn't me.  That was HER.

:):):)

The child who murders his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan comes to mind here tom. These folks are cold heartless SOB's. They have NO PROBLEMO falling all over themselves to vote for the "cut cut cut" bill that  further exacerbates the divide between the OBSCENELY WEALTHY and everyone else especially of those who depend on social service safety nets. No problemo. They can't see their way clear to take care of those who aren't  obscenely wealthy already. If there is anything left after the OBSCENELY WEALTHY get all they want then those crumbs might be apportioned among the poor,the ill, the forgotten. OR  someone will  come up and sweep up all those crumbs and sprinkle them on what the OBSCENELY WEALTHY have been given as a decorative finish. The contempt/disdain I have for these SOB's is almost more than I can handle. Honestly and seriously. They disgust me. The a**-kissing, the pandering, the rolling over, the whimpering, the weakness, the spineless, the morally bankrupt who do nothing at all to stop it. They have the power and the weasels won't use it. To them I wish a pox on their houses. A voodoo curse. A forever plague which they have all earned by being useless pawns of an evil puppet controlled by destroyers/haters/scum.racists. SIGH. When I know you better tom I'll tell you what I REALLY think! (joking of course). This is where we are right now. More to come. More crap, bilge, detritus, poison. The stench of the manure they shovel is overpowering. No. I am not like that little girl who when she sees a room full of sh** said "there must be a pony in here somewhere". There is no pony. Thank you for your reply tom! :)

I remember the murder / orphan analysis.  I have spent a decent amount of time with labor issues, so that's my most recent arena to draw examples from

That doesn't sound like  whole lotta fun tom. Having to deal with labor issues. Thank you for your reply and Happy Monday! :)