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Raising a fist, taking a knee. Both are associated with African Americans. If 'taking a knee' is prohibited in the NFL do you adore/deplore?

How is prohibiting such actions not inhibiting freedom of expression?

Posted - February 4, 2018
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  • 6098
    No I see that as being within their rights. If that is what they need to do to feel solidarity then OK let them. They just make themselves look silly if not stupid to everyone else. Like they don't even want to be there. 
      February 4, 2018 9:54 AM MST
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  • 561
    I deplore the politicisation of events that should, by their nature, be apolitical.
      February 4, 2018 10:13 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Well I'm sure you know the players "take a knee" to protest young black unarmed  men being killed and having those responsible for their deaths walk. It's a "black lives matter" thing and has zero to do with the flag or the country or any poltiical party. So do YOU support their right to silently protest or do you think they are an abomination? Thank you for your reply Rev and Happy Monday! :)
      February 5, 2018 4:36 AM MST
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  • 5391
    Freedom of expression, like any freedom, entails a measure of discretion. I deplore its abuse.
    Should one march into a crowded movie house and cry, “Fire”? Are we free to scratch our grievances upon any wall? 
    Time and place. 
      February 4, 2018 10:27 AM MST
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  • 113301
    So you approve of restricting its use? You think it disgraces the person/the team/the flag/the country? Taking a knee protests the treatment of blacks at the hands of the "authorities". All the unarmed young blacks who were killed for being black while their murderers walk. I'm pretty sure you know that. It has ZERO to do with the flag or the country or anything. It is not a violent protest but a benign quiet one. I think it abridges freedom of speech even though they are silent when they do it. The whole bullsh** thing doofus don set up was specifically to rile his base people up. He doesn't give a sh** about country and you know it. He does it because he can. SIGH. Thank you for your reply. I don't buy anything he does as being "noble, honorable, civil, appropriate, patriotic". He is an evil sh**thrower white nationalist RACIST who is always performing for his audience of racists and bigots. He feeds them to nurture them. They all disgust me. :( This post was edited by RosieG at February 5, 2018 3:24 AM MST
      February 5, 2018 3:23 AM MST
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  • 5391
    No, I have no wish to see freedom of expression restricted, as I intend to exercise my freedom to publicly deplore what I see as abuses of these freedoms. As I said, time and place. 

    Im not sure what work places allow for political demonstrations on their paid time, but I’M sure those who do are in the minority, and rightly so. Express personal politics on personal time. This post was edited by Don Barzini at February 5, 2018 9:11 AM MST
      February 5, 2018 7:28 AM MST
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  • Don't leave out another hallmark of African American resistance, the boycott. I don't care if the NFL takes a knee, waves their fists or lays down on the ground, as a consumer, I don't have to subsidize or patronize their product. Their product isn't a necessity of life and I certainly have other sports venues  in which to spend money and watch on television.
      February 4, 2018 10:49 AM MST
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  • 1233
    Freedom of expression means that your expression won't be CRIMINALISED. That's all it means. You're conflating legal rights with social tolerance. Society defines what is acceptable expression ALL THE TIME.

    The trouble with the left is that, apart from being wrong about everything, there is no logical consistency to its beliefs. One can usually at least respect someone's opinion if their beliefs don't contradict each other.

    People get fired for exercising their right to free expression ALL THE TIME. How many people have been fired for homophobic / sexist / lewd / racist statements? The left not only supports this, but leads the charge on it.

    Leftist principles come down to "If I like the message, it's protected free expression. If I don't, then fire that ****". Total double standard.

    In my opinion, people who take a knee are scum and they deserve the contempt of everyone. They're still free to do it. It will just definitely lose them the respect of decent people. Their employer, not wishing to be associated with scum, may decide to terminate their employment.
    This post was edited by Zeitgeist at February 5, 2018 12:18 PM MST
      February 4, 2018 10:58 AM MST
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  • 3191
    Employers routinely restrict the free speech/expression of employees.  Such is the result of a contractual relationship freely entered into by both parties.  It is perfectly understandable from the employer's position in that their employees are their representatives and can adversely affect their business(es).  The 1st Amendment is a protection of our rights from government prohibitions, and does not apply in private interactions.    
      February 4, 2018 11:43 AM MST
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  • 113301
    You didn't answer my question B. Do you adore/abhor the players for doing it?  Do you adore/abhor the owners for restricting it? How do YOU feel about it and why? Happy Monday. I can't thank you for an answer you did not provide to the question I asked. I hope you will.
      February 5, 2018 3:17 AM MST
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  • 3191
    No, Rosie, that is not what you asked.  You asked two questions, both of which I answered. 
      February 5, 2018 8:45 AM MST
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  • 113301
    No. I asked ONE question...taking a knee... with two options. That is not two questions. It is ONE question with TWO options. I see our ability to communicate is fractured. Temporarily or permanently? This post was edited by RosieG at February 6, 2018 5:28 AM MST
      February 6, 2018 5:27 AM MST
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  • 3191
    1.  If 'taking a knee' is prohibited in the NFL do you adore/deplore?

    2.  How is prohibiting such actions not inhibiting freedom of expression?

    Two questions were asked.  Two were answered.  Now granted, I did not follow Rosie's Rules For Replying... and my response might not reflect your all or nothing options of "adore/deplore", but answered they were.

     
      February 6, 2018 11:25 AM MST
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  • 35550
    I abhor it. I abhorred it when Kaepernick first started kneeling with his cop pig socks. 
    If I were an owner my player would know if you kneel, you will sit on the bench the entire game. 
    Protest on your own time.
      February 5, 2018 5:06 AM MST
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