Discussion » Statements » Rosie's Corner » Sacramento 22-year-old Stephon Clark (an unarmed black man of course) was cop killed for having a cell phone in hand. Scairdy cat cops?

Sacramento 22-year-old Stephon Clark (an unarmed black man of course) was cop killed for having a cell phone in hand. Scairdy cat cops?

Stephon was in his grandmother's back yard. The scairdy cat coppers said they thought it was a "TOOL BAR". What the he** is that? Also after the murder someone says "MUTE" and the audio goes dead. So we couldn't hear what was said. The cops in question are on PAID LEAVE. Why do they hire scairdy cats who can't tell the difference between a cell phone and a gun? Are they so desperate they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for all the misfits and incompetents?

Posted - March 23, 2018

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  • 6023
    I don't know where the "tool bar" comes from.
    The tape they played on NPR yesterday, the officer clearly says to "drop the gun".
    Then shooting starts seconds later.

    I counted seven shots.
    Where did the ones go that didn't hit the victim?
    I think people in the neighborhoods where these shootings take place, need to hire lawyers and file class action suits against the police for "reckless endangerment".
      March 23, 2018 9:44 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    What I want to know Walt is WHY DO WE HIRE SCAIRDY CATS TO BE COPS?  Is that all that's available? Over and over and over and over and over again it happens. SCAIRDY CATS. Useless wimps who cave and shudder at the first sign of POTENTIAL danger. I don't get it. Thank you for your reply  Walt! :) How many more of these must be endured before we figger out that the cops are the problem and DO SOMETHING?
      March 23, 2018 9:57 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    I believe it started when we asked the police to enforce the law, rather than keep the peace.
    "Peace officers" were familiar with their neighborhoods, and known/trusted by the citizens.
    "Law Enforcement officers" have an us-vs-them mentality, and are not trusted by the citizens.

    LEOs are trained to respond to every situation as if their lives are in danger.
    That does nothing but further the us-vs-them mentality, and encourage paranoia.
    When you are constantly told that your life is in danger every time you deal with the citizens, you view the citizens as enemies ... and it is then "reasonable" to use deadly force.

    The way to change it, isn't to have more training on diversity and giving the police non-lethal weapons.
    The only way to change it, is to change the system to go back to "peace officers".
    That means demilitarizing the police, making them get out of their cars and walk among residents and interact personally with them on a daily basis.
      March 23, 2018 10:44 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    Your answer fails to recognize that "peace officer" is insufficient to maintain order in our society in the current day and time.   

    If you want to go back to "peace officers," you are going to have to turn back the clock to the societal conditions of America around 1631 and keep those conditions from changing.

    https://www.nleomf.org/museum/news/newsletters/online-insider/2012/April-2012/early-days-american-law-enforcement-april-2012.htm
      March 23, 2018 12:29 PM MDT
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  • 6023

    Wrong.

    We went from "peace officers" to "Law enforcement officers" in the late 1960's ... when we started to militarize police departments.

    Mayhaps you would prefer the term "substation precincts"?  Or "neighborhood precincts"?  I have heard both.
    The goal is the same - to get officers out of their cars and interacting with citizens in their patrol neighborhoods on a daily basis.

      March 23, 2018 12:48 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    I don't know what the answer is Walt. A 14-year-old kid with a water pistol was shot dead seconds after the cops got out of the car. How many unarmed BLACK young men have died? If the guy were white think the coppers would have shot him? They said the cops shot him 20 times! That is scairdy cat reaction. 20 times! It is so disgusting and so predictable.  Maybe we need to elilminate all cops and try another system. What that would be I don't know. I'm gonna ask. Thank you for your thoughtful reply! I wonder who is the next unarmed black young man who will be killed just for being black?
      March 24, 2018 1:51 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    I can't agree with you that "cops are the problem" is an accurate statement.

    I think the real problem is that most people (especially those who are most likely to be approached by the police) don't recognize the importance of the job the police do and thus meet any police officer who approaches them with disdain and arrogance and hostility.


      March 23, 2018 12:18 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    A 14-year-old black kid with a water pistol was killed seconds after cops got out of the car. A couple of years ago. This guy who was murdered yestrerday was shot 20 TIMES and was carrying a cell phone. There is a problem with cops tom. Are they all scairdy cat incompetents? No. Of course not. But enough of them are that we need to recognize we have a SEVERE problem. I'm gonna ask.  Justifying the harm cops do is no different than justifying the harm Big JOHN does. It's all bullsh**! Just my opinion. Thank you for your reply. Why not have cops NOT CARRY LOADED GUNS? This post was edited by RosieG at March 24, 2018 2:03 AM MDT
      March 24, 2018 1:53 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    IF the story you told is accurate, the cops are not even cops and need to go to jail.  Period.   PAID LEAVE?  DO THEY PAY COPS TO BE RACISTS AND SHOOT PEOPLE?  NO. KIDS?  THIS WAS A KID?

    Let's see, protect kids at school by hiring cops to protect them and then turn around and have cops shoot them unnecessarily because this KID could have possibly had a weapon maybe.

    I cannot stomach the idea of looking this up.  I'm too focused on TRUMP's b.s. at present.

    I'll take your word that the cops are insane again.  I have heard the same thing over and over, so why would this be an exception to the lying cop rule.

    COVER UP TO APPEAR REAL SOOOOON.

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at March 23, 2018 11:04 AM MDT
      March 23, 2018 11:01 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    And if it's not accurate they deserve to remain police officers in good standing---which certainly involves being paid.

    Fortunately, they are also assured due process.
      March 23, 2018 12:35 PM MDT
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  • 35534
    Not a kid a 22 yr old man they were chasing because it was believed he was breaking neighborhood window.
    Link below.
      March 23, 2018 2:03 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    My 2?  I'm 67 and a half.  My daughter is half-way to 50.   So, 22 is a KID for godsakes.  That is not a life worth snuffing.  It barely even got started.  ARE YOU SERIOUS?

    Oh, then he knew what he signed up for, right?  Having that obvious weapon all dangerously pointed? 
      March 23, 2018 2:08 PM MDT
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  • 35534
    22yrs old is a man not a kid. He apparently was being a criminal....there are consequences. You don't listen... You don't run....You don't show your hands. Bad things can and do happen. It is a shame he was young.
    I am in my 40s.  My daughter is 24. She is my kid but she is a grown woman.
      March 23, 2018 2:19 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Just like doctors, police officers (who also deal daily with emergencies with potential life and death situations)  are human beings---some are better humans than other humans and some have better properties of evaluation.

    Those professions have protocols that must be followed---unfortunately the outcomes that we observers would deep as optimal do not always occur.

    Doctors treat patients who sometimes subsequently die.  Police frequently have interactions with people who have little or no respect for their authority and therefore either knowingly or unknowingly provide too many possible scenarios when they interface with the police for the police to be able to ponder at their leisure the best course of action in any given situation.

    Police are more like soldiers than doctors.
     
    Doctors usually deal with people who would agree they need a doctor.
     
    The police tend to deal with the enemies of the law.
      March 23, 2018 12:10 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    About 5 years ago I was stopped on my way to work while it was still dark out.   I was driving down the middle lane of the southbound side of a major street, going the speed limit.  The cop (no disrespect intended) pulled in behind me (I never noticed him.)

    He came up close behind be and turned his headlights on to "bright."  My reaction, as I would imagine most drivers to be, was to let the a**hole behind me get in front of me if he wanted to. (And I was the only car in front of him for about 100 yards.)  So I checked the right lane for cars and seeing none, immediately changed lanes.

    Naturally, since I perceived the situation as an emergency, I did not use my blinker---which gave him probable cause to stop me based on my failure to signal a lane change.

    He "lit me up" (as per Live PD).  I stopped; turned on my interior lights, and put my hands on the steering wheel at the 10 and 2 positions.

    Being stopped didn't both me.  I suspect that he wound up a little frustrated since my last ticket was a parking ticket about 39 years ago.

    At any rate, we both went about our business.

    I wouldn't call him a SCAIRDY CAT(S)---more aggressive than not in the very choice to engage with me (for whatever reason).

    (And as an aside, if the driver pulls over without signaling because he reasonably perceives an imminent threat from an unknown vehicle, that driver could successfully challenge that the officer had probable cause to perform the traffic stop in the first place.)
      March 23, 2018 12:51 PM MDT
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  • 35534
    link: to body cam video the 2nd video does not go mute after the shooting.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article206557539.html

    You made it sound like they just walked into this guy yard and shot him.  They chased him because he was believed to be braking windows in the neighborhood. The yelled several times to show your hands and stop.

    Another case where if the suspect would stop and listen to the officers the shooting would not have happened.

    I tell my kids to listen to the police even if the police are doing wrong. We can handle that latter. Don't give a reason to think you are a threat.

    These cops were doing their job. Chasing this guy through dark yards with dogs barking etc. Not scairdie cats. Much braver than most people. I certainly don't want their jobs. This post was edited by my2cents at March 23, 2018 2:02 PM MDT
      March 23, 2018 1:48 PM MDT
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  • 10880

    Why don’t people comply with the police?  Why, when asked to do something, do they, run, mouth back or act suspicious?  Many (not all) police shootings are triggered by the “suspect’s” non-compliance with the officers.  Someone sees a person who’s acting suspicious or is somewhere they shouldn’t be, so they call the police.  The police come and instruct the individual to put their hands where they can see them.  However, instead of complying, the person starts to reach into their pocket.  Is that person going after a gun or other weapon?  How do the officers know that?  Sometimes a suspect will draw a weapon.  Is this going to be that time?  Or, instead of complying, the suspect ignores them and walks away, or they mouth off to the officers or they begin advancing towards the officers.  How do the officers know what that person’s intentions are?  Are they 100% sure?  Theirs and other people’s lives may depend on that answer.  These situations happen more often than most people realize.  Not every police incident makes headlines.  We like to think all people are nice and good.  Unfortunately, that’s not always the case.  Police officers see more crap in a week than most of us could stomach in a lifetime.  So is it any wonder they’re overly cautious?  If you had to deal with the situations police officers do on a daily basis, you’d be overly cautious too.  Police officers must become callous to what they see, otherwise they could never do their job.

    I’m not saying that 100% of all police shootings are justifiable.  People are people – whether they wear a uniform or not.  Yes, some officers are prejudiced – so are 99.99% of people in the world.  Now before anyone takes offence at that, remember, a prejudice isn’t simply limited to skin color or race.  It can be towards religion, social status, nationality, geographic location, political party, sexual preference, length or color of hair, clothing style, facial hair… and so much more.  Do we expect police officers to be any less human than ourselves?   If a high percentage of incidents are performed by a certain “race” or “type” of people, soon all people who are of that “race” or “type” are stereotyped as being troublemakers – whether a certain individual in that classification is one or not.  It’s not right, but it’s how it is.

    Should the officers, in this incident, have fired so many times?  Probably not.  Of course we weren’t there and, therefore, can’t know all the details (exact circumstances during and prior to the incident, the officers frame of minds prior to the incident, was the person belligerent, why did they mute the sound, etc.).   We can guess, assume and attempt to lay blame, but without all the details we could be wrong.  Does this make the incident any less tragic?  Not in the least.  It was horrifying and innocent people will suffer because of it.  So, who’s at fault?  The offices for shooting a “suspect” who may or may not have had a gun?  The “victim” for non-compliance?  Or both?  Where do we place the blame?  We’re quick to place blame prejudice.  It’s hard when you have to make a split-second judgment – especially when a life is on the line.  What if you’re wrong?  What if you hesitate and someone else dies?  What if you die?  What if…?

      March 23, 2018 4:09 PM MDT
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  • 35534
    Exactly. You are 100% right. 
      March 24, 2018 2:40 PM MDT
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