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The reason the folks are getting their security clearances YANKED is because they "monetized" their public service. Really? So what?

Don and Ivanka and Jared and all the folks don hired have and are continuing to MONETIZE their public service. All the don properties. All the Ivanka product lines. All the Jared real estate deals he does on the side when he traves abroad. Monetizing right? Isn't that what bigtime wheeler "dealers" do? Monetize ?

Posted - July 24, 2018

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  • 35077
    Makes no sense that someone who no longer works for the government would still have a security clearance. 
    When I leave a job....I have to turn in my keys and they take me out of the security system, remove my computer logins etc
    The fact that our government does not is another example of government stupidity.  
    They don't work for the gov they should not have a government clearance. Even if they were not using it to make money on CNN/MSNBC etc.

    Ivanka is no longer involved with her company....so she has no product lines.... This post was edited by my2cents at July 26, 2018 6:50 AM MDT
      July 24, 2018 12:09 PM MDT
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  • 19937
    And what about the entire time that she was involved with her businesses?  How about that dolt of a husband - Jared - how does he rate having security clearance?  He hasn't divested himself of his businesses either.
      July 24, 2018 2:33 PM MDT
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  • 35077
    A person is not required to divest themselves in order to receive a security clearance. 
    But once they are no longer employed by the government, they should also no longer have a clearance. 

    To my knowledge there are no examples of her using their clearance to make money. Because someone buys something because it has the Trump name is not their fault, anymore than it was Obama's fault people were buying things with his image on it. It comes with the territory.  
    The ones losing their clearances used them to get jobs on NEWS networks...a bit different. 

      July 24, 2018 2:54 PM MDT
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  • 19937
    Because of the Emoluments Clause, a person in the administration is not permitted to earn income based on the fact they are in the government.  This was why Cheney was required to sell his stock or put it in a blind trust.  None of the Trumps/Kushners have done that.  Trump is profiting from having his security detail stay at his golf course premises as well as visiting dignitaries.  He doesn't do this for free - the taxpayers are paying for them to stay there and, considering he spends weekends at one or another of his golf courses, he is profiting.  As for Obama buying items with his image on it, he didn't manufacture it and was not directly profiting from those sales.  

    The ones losing their clearances are losing them because they are very vocal about their mistrust and dislike of Donald Trump and the way he is conducting himself and the business of the country.  He made a big deal about adding McCabe and Comey to his list, but neither of them had clearances after they were dismissed.  It was grandstanding.  

    As for those who made money from appearing on news programs, none of them are permanent employees of any news station - they are consultants or appear periodically.  There is nothing that says someone can't be employed by a news outlet once they are out of government.  To my knowledge, none of them have given away any state secrets to any news media.  

    This might give you a better picture of why it's important for certain people to retain their clearances:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631760720/trump-aims-to-pull-clearances-of-ex-officials-critical-of-him
      July 24, 2018 7:46 PM MDT
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  • 35077
    No it does not say cannot earn income. What it says is:
     
    Article 1 of the Constitution: “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    Now let's define 

    emolument

    Advantagebenefitprofit, or wagereceived as compensation for being employed or holding an office.

    President Trump is not employed by the Trump Organization or any other countries so it would not apply to him. Just as I own my business...I am not an employee of my business I don't receive an emulument from my business nor from my customers. My employees receive an emulument...

    So again no, President Trump has not committed any violation. 
     
    This post was edited by my2cents at July 26, 2018 6:50 AM MDT
      July 24, 2018 8:41 PM MDT
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  • 19937
    I just came across this ruling regarding emoluments which was reported on PBS News Hour:

    "What the judge said

    Messitte ruled that the definition of emoluments is broad and should include any profits, including those gained from private transactions. The opinion did not rule on the merits of the case, but did allow the lawsuit to move forward.

    The opinion did not rule on the merits of the case, but did allow the lawsuit to move forward.

    “In the Court’s view, the decisive weight of historical evidence supports the conclusion that the common understanding of the term “emolument” during the founding era was that it covered any profit, gain, or advantage, including profits from private transactions,” Messitte wrote in his opinion.

    Lawyers for Maryland and D.C. argued the court should use definitions common at the time the Constitution was drafted, which define “emolument” as any “profit,” “gain” or “advantage.”

    You can find the full article (not long) at 

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-judges-broad-definition-of-emoluments-strengthens-lawsuit-over-trumps-d-c-hotel

      July 25, 2018 6:02 PM MDT
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  • 35077
    Thank you. I would have to look into the history of our Presidents and their incomes to see if I agreed with this judge. 

    I did notice this quote from your link which I was not aware and to me could in fact void the whole issue. 

     "Trump handed control of the company over to his two adult sons and placed his assets into a blind trust."
      July 26, 2018 6:35 AM MDT
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  • 19937

    Without being able to see Trump's tax returns, there doesn't seem to be any way to prove that, but he may have to do that in furtherance of Maryland and Delaware's lawsuit, so we shall see.

    EDIT:  "But ethics experts and watchdog groups have criticized the arrangement, arguing that Trump has continued profiting from his business empire while in office, presenting numerous conflicts of interest." 

    XX This post was edited by SpunkySenior at July 26, 2018 10:52 AM MDT
      July 26, 2018 10:49 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      July 25, 2018 2:54 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      July 25, 2018 2:48 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    So you don't want previous high quality individuals available to mentor or "fill in the blanks" for their replacements if so asked---which of course would be difficult without them maintaining their security clearance.

    You say "When I leave a job....I have to turn in my keys and they take me out of the security system, remove my computer logins etc"

    That just tells me your job has value but anyone holding it is easily replaced.

    Not the same for people in national security positions.


      July 24, 2018 3:04 PM MDT
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  • 35077
    Everyone is replaceable. If someone needs to be used to mentor etc.  then they can be apply again for the clearance.
      July 24, 2018 3:26 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    You are treating such complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are.

    Only you can fix that.
      July 24, 2018 4:19 PM MDT
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  • 35077
    No, it is that simple. They do not work for the government anymore. Make thr clearance inactive....revoke it....whatever. If they are needed make reversible if needed. 
    It is that simple.....making it more complicated just allows for games that they play now.
    Trump has the right and authority to remove them and he should have the day they left or his day one whichever was first.
      July 24, 2018 6:48 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?

    Calling something simple doesn't make it so.
      July 24, 2018 6:53 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      July 25, 2018 2:53 AM MDT
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  • 35077
    Are they working for the government? No, they are working for CNN....they should not have a gov clearance.
      July 26, 2018 6:37 AM MDT
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  • 113301
     :):):)
      July 25, 2018 2:48 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    I am Donald Afflatus Trump and everything I do is above the law.

    You dare imitate ME?

    Don't even try.  If I cannot use you, I will not pardon you. 

      July 24, 2018 3:28 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    I just looked up "afflatus" Sharon. Never heard of or saw the word before. Very fitting. Thanks for the new word, for your reply as well as the graphic. Yikes. Geez. Sheesh. OMG. Pick one or a couple or all of 'em! Happy Wednesday. SIGH. Wonder what lies ahead this day? :(.
      July 25, 2018 2:52 AM MDT
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