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We cannot ban assault rifles because they have never been banned before. Supposedly said by KAVANAUGH, the wanna be Justice. SAY WHAT?

Don't do something because it has never been done before? This makes sense HOW?

Posted - September 4, 2018

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  • 11415
    Ya stuff like that have been bugging me lately because kids will be going back to school and as far as I know nothing has been done to help keep them safe this year. Cheers!
      September 4, 2018 9:11 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Sure Nanoose. More kids will be sitting ducks. More slaughters and massacres and murdered children. More crap from those who support the NRA and don't anything at all about the dead children. I think many Americans are devoid of emotion or caring or love. They are robots. Stepford wives. Zombies. Thank you for your reply Nanoose! :)
      September 4, 2018 10:47 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    According to the SCOTUS ruling that allowed banning "sawed off" (short barreled) shotguns ... it was allowed because such weapons had never been used in war.  (Which was incorrect, as proven at the lower court trials.  But the defense didn't show up at the SCOTUS trial.)

    So, if we use that precedent, we can ban any firearm type never used by the militia or military forces of the United States.

    Of course, the other consequence of doing so will allow civilians to own military-grade firearms - without the current "tax" on such weapons.
    So we go from semi-auto AR-15 ... to full-auto M-16.
      September 4, 2018 10:56 AM MDT
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  • 35073
    AR 15 is not military grade and fully automatic weapons are illegal. 
      September 5, 2018 5:00 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    Re-read my whole post.
    It says if we follow the SCOTUS reasoning for banning sawed-off shotguns (because they aren't military weapons) - then we can ban AR-15 (which is not a military weapon) - but then everyone can own M-16 instead (because they are military weapons).

    Fully automatic weapons are NOT illegal for civilian ownership, under current federal law.
    You just have to pay an additional $200 tax, pass a background check, and purchase it from a Class III dealer.
      September 5, 2018 7:40 AM MDT
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  • 35073
    My bad....I did read that part wrong.

    However, I do not see how they arrive that a short barrel shotgun is not a military weapon. Because they have been used for centuries in the military. They were included in the NFA ban passed in the 1930s. 



    It is much harder than that to get a Full Auto but yes it is possible. But the cost of the gun would put it out of range for most people upwards of $15,000. 
      September 5, 2018 8:51 AM MDT
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  • 6023

    As I said ... the lower courts, the defense showed proof that "sawed off" shotguns had been used by the militia/military.
    But neither the defendant nor defense attorney showed up to the Supreme Court trial ... so the prosecution was able to get away with the lie.

    https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/307us174

     

    United States v. Miller involved a criminal prosecution under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Passed in response to public outcry over the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, the NFA requires certain types of firearms (including but not limited to fully automatic firearms and short-barrelled rifles and shotguns) to be registered with the Miscellaneous Tax Unit (later to be folded into what eventually became the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF) which at the time was part of the Bureau of Internal Revenue (ancestor of today's Internal Revenue Service),[1] with a $200 tax paid at the time of registration and again if the firearm was ever sold.

    Defendants Miller and Layton filed a demurrer challenging the relevant section of the National Firearms Act as an unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment. District Court Judge Heartsill Ragon accepted the claim and dismissed the indictment, stating, "The court is of the opinion that this section is invalid in that it violates the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, U.S.C.A., providing, 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'" Judge Ragon provided no further explanation of his reasons.

    In reality, Ragon was in favor of the gun control law and ruled the law unconstitutional because he knew that Miller, who was a known bank robber and had just testified against the rest of his gang in court, would have to go into hiding as soon as he was released. He knew that Miller would not pay a lawyer to argue the case at the Supreme Court and would simply disappear. Therefore, the government's appeal to the Supreme Court would be a sure win because Miller and his attorney would not even be present at the argument.[2] [3]

    On March 30, 1939, the Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

    1. The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
    2. The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
    3. The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
    4. The "double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230" was never used in any militia organization.

    Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented counsel from traveling.[4] Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision was rendered

      September 5, 2018 9:08 AM MDT
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  • 35073
    Interesting....the NRA was around back then. They just allowed it to go undefended? Sounds like they were in favor of the law as well.  Or maybe they just were not as large an organization back then?
      September 5, 2018 11:37 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    Probably the same situation as today.
    How often do you hear the NRA defend a drug dealer, facing firearm charges?  I can't recall a single time.

    LOL
      September 5, 2018 11:51 AM MDT
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  • 35073
    True but that was not defending the gangster but rather fighting for law abiding citizens rights. Perhaps it is a case they have learned from and would not make that mistake again. 
      September 5, 2018 12:23 PM MDT
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  • 6023

    I find a couple things about it interesting.

    First - the NFA passed due to "public outcry over the St. Valentine's Day Massacre" ... an act between criminal gangs.
    7 gang members and 2 affiliates were killed.  No innocent civilians were killed or wounded.
    Yet today, it's virtually impossible to expand restrictions on firearms even after dozens of children are killed / injured by a shooter.

    Second - Judge Ragon allegedly ruled in the defendants favor, knowing the government would take it to the Supreme Court and the defense would disappear.  Why not just rule against the defendants, then?  They would still disappear, and it wouldn't have gone to the Supreme Court.  > Did he know the SCOTUS would rule against them, and that's what he was looking for?  A SCOTUS "nail in the coffin"?

      September 5, 2018 12:43 PM MDT
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  • 1502
    There’s no such thing as “assault rifles”. AR is acronym for ArmaLite Rifle. The only difference between AR-15’s and other rifles are cosmetics. They are semi-auto unless they’re a bolt action rifle. Assault rifle is a fake term coined to scare people. They are no more dangerous than standard rifles.  Far more people die from handguns than rifles and shotguns. More proof gun grabbers are ignorant about firearms. 

    https://www.policeone.com/the-tacticalist/articles/7209499-Assault-weapons-vs-sporting-weapons-Whats-the-difference/

    Before you start the anti-NRA narrative, you must realize they are a group of American citizens who support the second amendment and spend far less than many big donors.  This post was edited by Rizz at September 5, 2018 5:20 AM MDT
      September 5, 2018 2:59 AM MDT
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