How much downer and dirtier could either have been and both had a win. I rest my case. Until and unless Dems go way down low as low they can go and start matching trumpicans and Kickapoo Joy Juice akins dirty trick and lies for dirty trick and lies they will lose lose lose lose. It's a different world. The super don (aka MUD per an Answermug pal) made it so. Changed the world forever. Forever? No hope of getting back what he got rid of because it cramped his style? None? SIGH.