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OR? Is it possible that some folks who are Jewish deplore Jews? Why would I think that?

Once again personal experience is the basis of the question. Long ago an ex-husband (a Sephardic Jew) and I attended a holiday party. One of my co-workers was Jewish so she came over to chat with my husband whom she knew was also Jewish. What came out of his mouth shocked the he** outta me. He put down Jewish people as if he were not one of them. I apologized to her later for that and I asked him why he said what he said? He doesn't like Jewish people or so he said! That was news to me since I had gone to Temple with him. WHAT? I kid you not. So I asked the question. Are there other people who are Jewish who dislike Jews too? If true Seriously sick I think. You?

Posted - June 15, 2019

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  • 46117
    The same reason a Candace Olson or Ben Carson exist.  

    To go against your own people shows that you have no moral center, no loyalty and no code of conduct whatsoever if you can parlay your situation into one of fame and financial success just by BETRAYING your own kind.

    Your own kind must be weak.  Otherwise, why can you successfully denigrate them?   This is their stance.  This is their foundation.

    Kelly Ann Conway looks like a skeletal mess.  She is not even a good representation of a human being any longer.  She looks like a walking corpse and she still defends Trump and all his misogyinistic comments about women.  She could care less about women or their rights or anyone's rights.  She just knows she has a cushy job where she can assert herself into everything and anything and power is her drug.

    Candace Olson is a white token who is an embarrassment to her race just like Condosleeza Rice was.

    And TRUMP?  Oh, please.  Who ever has the most money and power to offer his criminal enterprise wins, black, Jew, Russian or Asian.  Or Arabic.  Anyone can be someone Trump would sell our souls to.  
      June 15, 2019 10:32 AM MDT
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  • 34941
    Candace Owens is awesome. 
      June 16, 2019 6:47 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    She is TOTALLY NUTS.  So, this is the best way I can answer you without being pb'd.  If you catch my meaning underneath it all?  You think like that?  Oh god, have mercy on YOU.  
      June 17, 2019 10:39 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    LOL SORRY.  My bad.  I LOVE Candace Olson the Canadian designer.  SORRY CANDACE OLSON.  LOL

    Candace Owens is a TOKEN negress.  That is the best and worst thing I can call her.  She has no moral core. She is a sell-out in love with her own voice, a Kelly Ann Conway seeing a route to power by just talking and talking and saying loud stupid diatribe OVER her opponents.  Just because you can talk loudly and brashly doesn't mean you are not a TOTAL FOOL and ASS.  
      June 17, 2019 10:44 AM MDT
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  • 34941
    Why are people on the left unable to disagree with a black person without calling them sellouts/uncle Tom/token etc?
      June 17, 2019 11:29 AM MDT
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  • 4624
    I've had close associations with Jews all my life - my "god" parents or trustees, several close friends, and my husband. All agree that a very small number of Jews are anti-semitic.
    Anti-Semitic Jews are not racist. Rather, they reject Judaism because they view the religious holidays and certain sets of laws within the Mishna as directly contributing to the triggering the persecution of Jews.

    Eight of the nine religious rites in the Jewish calendar mark a moment of "triumph" over persecution. For instance, Passover marks the escape from slavery in Egypt, Sukkot celebrates the temporary shelters used during the forty years of exile in the desert and the temporary shelters for the Arc of the Covenant, and Hanukkah makes the overthrow of the Maccabees.

    In the Mishnah, many of the laws are designed to help people integrate as citizens of foreign countries in the diaspora, for instance, owing allegiance to whatever government rules, scrupulous fairness in business, and the practice of making immediate amends for mistakes. However, some practices which helped survival simultaneously endangered it. The Mishna instructs parents to ensure that the children (especially boys) are well educated - can read, write and do maths fluently. In medieval times, this often meant that a Jew was the only person in a village who could read and write letters. It made them indispensable - and also a subject of suspicion concerning unwelcome messages. For the same reason, Jews often became accountants and lawyers, earning good fees - and again - suspicion and resentment of their wealth. Jews were, in different places and times, forbidden from specific occupations - but were rarely forbidden to trade. So many became merchants, hence wealthy, hence the wealth a reason for intense resentment.

    Anti-Semitic Jews see the religion itself as a "set-up" for persecution, and hence reject Judaism. They regard fellow Jews with suspicion - "are they one of those, the conservatives who are to blame for the whole shamozzle?" 

    In addition, there are many Jews, perhaps even a majority, who reject Orthodox Judaism - partly because it is far too extreme for easy integration in modern life - but mainly because most Orthodox are also Zionists. They have a gerrymander in Israel, enshrined in the constitution since the British departure from the colonial administration of Palestine, which gives them a permanent majority influence in parliament, no matter who is voted into power. Many view this as the primary reason for the mistreatment of Muslim citizens in Israel and the atrocities against Palestinians on the East and West Banks.


    This post was edited by inky at June 17, 2019 4:35 PM MDT
      June 15, 2019 2:49 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Oh my goodness bw! This is undoubtedly one of the most thoughtful and helpfully EDUCATIONAL and INFORMATIVE replies I've ever received to any question I ever asked. I've been doiong this question-asking thing since February 2005 on the internet starting with Answerbag. I've asked bazillions of questions during that time and this is an outstanding example of why I'm still on the internet asking questions. I don't ask anything for any other reason than to get feedback about things I don't understand. Or to get feedback on what I think vis a vis what others think. Your Answermug name is well-chosen m'dear. Are you a teacher perchance? The methodical and logical way in which you presented the knowledge is quite outstanding. Thank you for investing the time to answer my question. And now that I think of it many Christian sects dislike one another too. I never understood that either!  :) This post was edited by RosieG at June 16, 2019 8:34 PM MDT
      June 16, 2019 4:33 AM MDT
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  • 4624
    Thank you for your kind and enthusiastic reply, Rosie. I've always enjoyed your intelligent and uniquely-phrased questions.
    I was a teacher for about twenty years, at various levels from primary to tertiary.
    These days I mostly read and write.
    I still do some volunteer teaching, helping Aboriginal kids bridge "The Gap."  Education is now seen by Aboriginals as the ticket to self-determination and over-coming social disadvantage.
    I also help writers with their stories and basic editing.
      June 16, 2019 8:39 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    NO WONDER I so enjoy our  conversations. I think TEACHING IS THE MOST NOBLE PROFESSION! Period. My son is Chair of his department at the University of Hawaii on Oahu. I started reading to him when he was six months old. Taught him how to read so that by age 3 he had a library card. He and I used to meander on any college campus nearby wherever we lived. We'd sneak into empty classrooms and just soak it up. I did that not because I wanted him to choose teaching as his profession but  for him to LOVE to learn as I do and love to read. So imagine my joy that he CHOSE teaching! Not right off the bat. He got his undergraduate degree and then worked for a few years in computer-related fields before he decided to get his Master's and then his Ph.d. Folks used to always tell me that I should have married a college professor. I did something better. I gave birth to one!  Anyway I think teachers are priceless and for whatever reason they are undervalued. You open doors to the world. You can excite your students so much that they become lifelong learners. You don't tell them what to think but show them how. That is an amazing thing to contribute to the world so I thank you for that. You encourage students. You give them confidence in themselves to go out into the world and find their place in it. I was an extremely shy child and a very good student which did not sit well with the other kids. My 3rd grade teacher Miss Bryant was the first teacher whom I thought saw me and heard me. She remained a family friend through high school and was at my graduation party. Subsequently I had a Philosophy professor in junior college who loved to challenge us and that's where I found my voice.  The courage to speak up and say what I think. As you can see I'm still that person. Anyway thanks for hanging in and reading this bw! I appreciate you! :) Oh and thank you for the "atta girl" as well! This post was edited by RosieG at June 17, 2019 9:32 AM MDT
      June 17, 2019 3:12 AM MDT
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  • 4624
    Ah! Your philosophy professor. That explains your ability to ask great questions. I always think good thinking starts with good questions.

    I too have fond memories of favourite teachers.

    I love the way you describe the art of teaching - the ideal. I regret the way syllabi are constructed and managed now. The curriculum is so overloaded that it makes it much harder for teachers to educate or draw out their students, though happily, still not impossible. Sometimes I think the conveyor-belt system with up to 31 kids in a class is solely designed to inculcate citizens who will be compliant cogs in an economic machine. It makes me feel sad.

    While good teachers can inspire a love of learning in most of their students, good students can learn from any teacher, no matter how bad, and from almost all life situations.
    It's clear from what you say that you were a wonderful mother - no doubt still are even if your son is halfway across the Pacific. What is he the professor of?
      June 17, 2019 9:50 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Department of Information and Computer Sciences. He wears two hats. There is also the Library and Information Science Program with which he is involved. He is now tenured. I think it takes 7 years and you have to PUBLISH OR PERISH. He got his Ph.d from UCLA in 2004. Taught there for a year and then with his  former fiancee moved to Denver where he taught for two years at the University of Denver. But his dream was always to live in Hawaii and he made that happen! He moved to Oahu in 2007 and has been teaching there ever since. Here's what's so wonderfully AWESOME about that. In my day good students "skipped" grades. I did which put me at a huge social disadvantage being younger than my peers. Also I was painfully shy. But my son was in what they called the MGM program.Mentally Gifted Minors. They did not "skip" grades they just were exposed to additional learning. So after school the MGM kids would have other classes. In 4th grade he came home with something he had PROGRAMMED! I'm not kidding you! So his talent/ability in the computer field surfaced at a very young age and finally blossomed as an adult.  I suppose it was a portent of things to come. Thank you for the very kind words bw. I appreciate that. Children do not ask to be born.  They are held hostage by their parents and are forced to live how their parents decree. Some kids luck out big time and some kids don't. They have too many strikes against them. It makes me crazy but that's just how it is. It is those parents who blame teachers for their childrens' failures. I read that the brain is pretty much formed by age 3 and by age 6 is it solidly what it will be. Now at what age do teachers get to start teaching children? Parents who drop the ball and do nothing are the ones who attack teachers for their childrens' lack of learning. They have no clue they are to blame. None. Sheesh. Apologies but it does rankle. Thank you for your reply bw! :)
      June 18, 2019 3:41 AM MDT
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