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My country sucks.

Opposition in disarray and an anti-establishment mood in the country. Surely the perfect time to organise a contrived and viscous coup against a leader who is supported by 60% of your members.

Britain's Bernie gets shafted by the establishment BUT is hanging on.

http://novaramedia.com/2016/06/why-we-need-to-keepcorbyn/

Posted - June 30, 2016

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  • Independence for The People's Republic of South Yorkshire is next 

      June 30, 2016 3:53 PM MDT
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    Mine too, but I think mine sucks worse even than yours at the moment.

    How would you like to tell me how many people in your country are stupid enough to support a stupid goon like this?

    Donald Trump said that he would be open to using NATO forces to fight ISIS despite blasting the alliance in the past as "obsolete," he told ABC News’ Tom Llamas Thursday.

    “I like the idea of using NATO and also neighbors that aren’t in NATO and take them out. You gotta take them out,” Trump said ahead of a campaign event in Manchester, New Hampshire.

    However, Trump has been critical of NATO in the past, calling it “obsolete” and “expensive” in an interview on “This Week” in March.

    “It's going to have to be either readjusted to take care of terrorism or we're going to have to set up a new -- a new coalition, a new group of countries to handle terrorism because terrorism is out of control,” Trump said of NATO at the time.

    In the interview with Llamas, Trump acknowledged that he has not released the details of his plan to defeat ISIS because “everybody’s watching.”

    “I don’t like giving away like, ‘We’re gonna hit them here. We’re gonna hit them there.’ I like to keep it quiet,” Trump said, adding, “We’re going to hit them very hard, it’s very true, it’s very possible that we should use NATO.”

    Trump told Llamas he saw an advantage in using NATO forces.

    “I don’t want to get too much of ours involved. I want NATO to be involved,” Trump said. “We spend a tremendous amount of money on NATO. We take care of countries that frankly should be taking care of themselves in terms of economically.”

    Trump also referred to his past comments on NATO.

    “I was the one that said NATO is obsolete because they don’t cover terrorism properly, you remember that. That was about four months ago, I took a lot of heat,” he said. “Three days later they came up and they said, ‘Trump is right.’”

      June 30, 2016 5:26 PM MDT
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    Corbyn was supported by 60% of those who voted on Labour's website, which included those who had paid their £3 to register as Labour supporters, but were not full members, and that included Conservatives who voted for Corbyn because they knew they could easily beat him. The majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party has never wanted Corbyn, and they were elected by their constituents, most of whom will be people who are not members of any party. Should they place their first loyalty in representing their constituents, or being loyal to a man who was not leader at the election, on whos policies they were not elected, and who has never held a cabinet post? It is the old question; party or constituents. Jeremy Corbyn himself always preferred to represent his constituents, and his own values, to following the leadership of the party. I realise you are a Labour member, and in the Pro-Corbyn Momentum Group, Burnley, but I don't think the Parliamentary party should necessarily be blindly loyal to Corbyn. I do think that it is a bad time to stage a coup, right after the disastrous Brexit vote, and it sucks that we have no functioning party of government, and no functioning opposition, at a time when we have such a crucial political mess to sort out. No one in Parliament has been the least bit prepared for the referendum result, and public faith in our politicians has only gone down because of it. I have no particular allegiance to any party, and right now, I am so angry, I could happily put the bloody lot in a remote region of some desert, and nuke them!
      July 3, 2016 5:02 AM MDT
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  • If you say so.

      July 3, 2016 5:15 AM MDT
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  • Corbyn is loony left. Such people are just not electable in England. If the labour party tries to fight a general election with him as leader we will see the biggest conservative majority in history.

    Conservatives actually joined the labour party so they could vote for him and push the labour party in an unelectable direction.

    John McDonnell is such a commie he even had the balls to quote Mao in the parliament.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwVJTHtqs9Y

    A lot of people like myself are disillusioned with the establishment. Though if it's a choice between a Tory and a leftist prick like Corbyn, I'm voting conservative and so is middle England.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ZGqcpg1LA

      July 3, 2016 5:41 AM MDT
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  • I disagree on the countrywide aspect Burnley, but I do think that at moments of crisis we see the true face of our politicians.

    Gove we now know is a backstabber, but did we really expect anything different?  Tories have traditionally done this kind of thing for fun, especially over Europe.

    I don't know for sure, but I can't shift the feeling that the disarray in the Labour party is an orchestrated attempt to minimise the possibly harsh conclusions of the imminent Chilcot report.  Do ex New Labour really want Corbyn at the helm when they come in for criticism?  While it may be only another reason for wanting him out, I think it's a huge reason for many.  Fear can be a great instigator in political maneuvering. 

    Labour currently have a multiple personality disorder.  The 'old' New Labour leftovers are still there in force and are naturally likely to follow their established political course (ie, Conservative).  Corbyn has a fight on his hands, but I would dearly love to see the Labour leadership election include selection.  I feel that traditional Labour voters have reached in impasse with regard to their party, and many have found themselves unrepresented by much of their party's establishment in recent years.

    I don't see how it is resolvable without mass redundancies and perhaps a new party.  I dearly hope that happens, as it will get rid at a stroke many of the disturbingly neocon/neoliberal elements currently infesting the PLP.

      July 3, 2016 7:56 AM MDT
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      July 3, 2016 8:11 AM MDT
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    I like Corbyn and I like most of what he stands for. These are desperate times though and the Labour Party is in the middle of an existential crisis. If ever we needed a new Labour government then it is now , unfortunately that will NEVER happen with Jeremy as leader. He needs to do the honourable thing to save his party and serve the national interest.

      July 3, 2016 8:18 AM MDT
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    Uninformed garbage

      July 11, 2016 10:43 PM MDT
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    I should point out that Austrian school economics has never been electable anywhere, even in Austria.

    John McDonnell is such a commie he even had the balls to quote Mao in the parliament.

    McDonnel was making a joke about Osborne making trade deals with the Chinese. He was ironically calling Osborne a Mao adherent. Though yeah, it was a crap joke.

    Corbyn has a more radical left background but policies put forward are social democratic and historically centrist for Labourism.

    David Cameron resigned because of his own historic clusterf*** btw.

      July 11, 2016 11:27 PM MDT
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  • I'm an idealist, I admit it. Though I know my ideals couldn't be implemented at this time, probably never. If a conservative leader was preaching Austrian School economics, I'd tell him to stop being a hopelessly idealistic idiot.

    I know the Austrian school is just a dream of a world without people like you, so I compromise and take a centre right position when I vote.

    Social democratic policies are still too far left to be sustainable. They damage the economy causing more poverty which in turn requires more socialism to prevent people suffering. It's a spiral down into increasingly far left insanity that ultimately results in a total collapse, like we're seeing in Venezuela.

    I was looking at some opinion polls the other day. I must admit Corbyn is more popular than I realized. It seems Britain needs to suffer again to remind everyone of what happens when you people are in charge. Perhaps we should get it over with and then we can be free of you for another 40 years.

      July 12, 2016 5:22 AM MDT
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    I know the Marxist school is just a dream of a world without people like you, so I compromise and take a centre left position when I vote

    Snap. The rest of your claims are not backed by history btw. The countries that did better from the last crash (caused by free-market bank deregulation) were those who did not do austerity. Post War Keynesianism was the period when western growth was the best.

      July 12, 2016 10:28 AM MDT
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