Contributor “RosieG”:
“How much investigating have you done [..]?”
My response:
I am happy to oblige her (on behalf of contributor “SpunkySenior”):
By May 21, 2021, more than 4,000 rockets fired by Palestinian Arab Hamas-controlled Gaza, at Israeli cities; the latest Gaza hostilities initiated by Palestinian Arab Hamas, not Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2021
Contributor “RosieG”:
“restricted their [Palestinian Arab] movements.”
My response:
I’m going to interpret her word “their” to refer to the “Palestinian Territories”, those territories under the Oslo Accords (about 40% of what is now known as the West Bank, and all of Gaza):
Israeli security restrictions are in direct response the threat posed by the ongoing Palestinian Arab war of territorial ambitions and terrorism, directed at Israeli Jewish civilians including children, as follows:
i) Rockets fired from Gaza resulting in Israeli economic measures (aka “blockade”). Pro-Palestinian Arab contributors such as contributor “RosieG” typically-fail to mention two things:
The Palestinian Arab rocket attacks on Israeli cities, and that
the economic measures on Gaza are by both Egypt and Israel:
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“The blockade of the Gaza Strip is the ongoing land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt in 2007, after Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip [...]”
Extract source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
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ii) The West Bank:
“Palestinian” Arab propaganda false-complaints of:
“oppression” / “persecution” / “discrimination” / “(mis) treatment” / “racism” / “being treated as 2nd class”,
are Palestinian frustration at Israeli security measures for reducing Jewish casualties resulting from the Palestinian anti-Jewish war of ethnic-hatred and territorial ambitions, targeting Israeli Jewish civilians as policy including children.
The Palestinian Arabs pay a reward-“pension” for the murder Israeli Jewish civilians, including children through their “Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Example from the “Palestinian” Arab on-going anti-Jewish hate-war, where their propaganda typically refers to any consequential security measures as “Israeli-oppression”:
Israeli girl, Hallel Yaffa Ariel, aged 13, fatally stabbed in her bedroom in West Bank by a Palestinian terrorist, June 30, 2016, The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/30/israeli-girl-13-stabbed-bedroom-west-bank-kiryat-arba
Palestinian Arab attacks of ethnic-hatred using West Bank roads, upon Israeli Jewish civilians:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel
No wonder then that anti-Semites are emotionally-attached to the Palestinian Arabs!
Contributor “RosieG”:
“deprived them [the Palestinian Arabs] of water and electricity”
My response:
Both water and electricity are matters that require agreement. The Oslo Accords were intended to lead to a lasting peace, but after tricking Israel into the Accords, the Palestinian Arabs continued to claim ALL the land, and continued with their terrorism targeting Israel Jewish civilians including children, and also continued with rocket attacks.
What has all that got to do with electricity and water?
It is both somewhat difficult, and also immoral to require a country, to come to further agreements about electricity and water and also building permits, while for example, its children are considered targets for murder (see above) by the applying party.
Do not try the following as an experiment:
Attack people and then apply to them, for: Water, electricity, and building permits.
Contributor “RoseG”:
“He treats them like dirt and has for decades.”
My response:
Her allegation against Israel resembles or constitutes typical Palestinian Arab reverse-fact propaganda, as it refers to the Palestinian Arab complaints to international media about Israeli security measures that come about directly as a consequence of the Palestinian Arab policy to target Israeli Jewish civilians including children (see above).
Further examples from the “Palestinian” Arab on-going anti-Jewish hate-war, where their propaganda typically refers to any consequential security measures as “Israeli-oppression”:
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“23 August 2019 ... Israeli girl ... Rina Shnerb [age 17 was killed; she] had been hiking with her brother Dvir and her father Eitan near a natural spring outside Dolev when an improvised explosive device blew up.”
Extract source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49447035
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July, 21.2017: A Palestinian wielding a knife stabbed and killed three Israelis in Halamish, a settlement located north of Ramallah. Hamas praised the attack:
“We bless the heroic Halamish operation ...”:
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/21/middleeast/old-city-prayer-restrictions-imposed/index.html
Contributor “RosieG”:
“He has destroyed their homes”
My response:
West Bank:
Where homes are demolished (aka destroyed), this may occur for two main reasons:
i) The Palestinian Arabs pay a reward-pension to the family of terrorists killed or imprisoned by Israel for murdering Israeli Jewish civilians including children, which is most likely a reason for the following: When a Palestinian Arab terrorist has been apprehended, Israel either demolishes or seals the family home of the terrorist, but it cannot do that without a court order.
ii) Buildings erected without a building permit (without building permission):
Try this as an experiment:
Build a structure, home, or village, without permission, in your own country and then come back to us with the reaction by your own authorities.
Do not try the following as an experiment:
Attack people and then apply to them, for: Water, electricity, and building permits.
Gaza:
Homes are in peril there for two main reasons:
Israel retaliatory strikes on Hamas operation centers, due to Palestinian Arab rocket attacks on Israeli cities.
Hamas rockets that fall back onto Gaza.
(See above Wikipedia source above on Palestinian Arab rocket attacks on Israel and Hamas rockets falling back on Gaza.)
Contributor “RosieG”:
“on the land that was theirs [assume referring to the Palestinian Arabs]”
My response:
i) Private land / home ownership does not of itself amount to proof of entitlement to the sovereignty of the country in which a community lives.
ii) There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine) upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim on any part of the land of Israel:
Post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom of Judah (aka Judea). Including: West Bank, Gaza, and Golan Heights. Capital (what is now EAST) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpg
Contributor “RosieG”:
“He has been accused of WAR CRIMES”
My response:
Israel responds to attacks. There is no evidence of “war crimes”.
If the contributor may be referring to well-known NGOs, they have a track-record of bias against Israel with reports written by Palestinian Arab activists.
Example - NGO “Human Rights Watch” report: “A Threshold Crossed - Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution”, by Omar Shakir, April 27, 2021:
The author of the report Omar Shakir, is a pro-Palestinian Arab activist - see within:
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/hrws-apartheid-demonization-bds-lawfare/
(There is no objective-evidence of any Apartheid in or by Israel. The latter mentioned Human Rights Watch report should be regarded with suspicion, until there has been expert objective-evaluation of the Report, not only on the accuracy of its allegations, but also on omitted relevant information.)
Contributor “RosieG”:
“He targets the Palestinian people and children. Look at the most recent deaths.”
My response:
Israel does not target civilians whether including children or otherwise; Israel targets Hamas operations in order to seek to suppress Palestinian Arab attacks on Israeli civilians whether Arab or Jew:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210521-metro-in-firing-line-of-israel-strikes-on-gaza
Her accusation constitutes Palestinian Arab reverse-fact propaganda; Palestinian Arab rockets are fired at Israeli civilian population centers (cities).
Contributor “RosieG”:
“did you ever get blamed for something you did not instigate or start?”
My response:
The recent war (May 2021) was due to the attack by Palestinian Arab Hamas of over 4,000 rockets fired from Gaza at Israeli cities (source above).
Contributor “RosieG”:
“[...] deaths of Palestinians INCLUDING dozens of children? [...] Have you no curiosity about the lives that these Palestinians are leading? [...] on this issue I see only evil from the [Israelis]”.
My response:
It is considered a war crime to fire rockets upon civilians (source above - Palestinian Arabs fired more than 4,000 rockets at Israeli cities May 2021). How would your country react if rockets were fired from another country at your city? The contributor’s reaction seems typical of modern anti-Semitism, which seeks immorally to treat the Jewish people differently from any other nation, and where Israel has become the modern substitute for the anti-Semitic desire for the genocide of the Jewish people.
Contributor “RosieG”:
“America pays for the weapons that murder people and then gives humanitarian aid to them? That is a very stupid dumb way to run a country in my opinion.“
My response:
Israel receives security aid from the U.S.; not humanitarian aid.
Her comment is reverse fact, applying to the Palestinian Arabs rather than Israel. The U.S. is restoring “humanitarian aid” to the Palestinian Arabs for whom this money is either used directly or frees-up their funds, for paying for attack tunnels, rockets, and mortars, while ignoring the welfare of their own people:
https://nypost.com/2017/07/28/palestinian-authority-now-uses-half-of-all-foreign-aid-to-reward-terror/
Aid awarded to the “Palestinian” Arabs lacks substantiation of their alleged “humanitarian” need, particularly when compared with other groups considered to have genuine humanitarian need:
https://hum-insight.info/
Contributor “RosieG”:
“Gets away with murder literally and then is supported and admired and respected for the carnage [...] the monster [...] what he has gotten away with and will continue to get away with [...]”
My response:
For her falsehoods against Israel / the Israeli Prime Minister (to which/whom she refers as “Yahoo”), she provides:
No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence.
This post was edited by Robert at October 20, 2021 5:06 PM MDT
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