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Is it possible to rehabilitate the songs made famous by performers who turned out to be very bad people?

Rolf Harris, R Kelly, Gary Glitter etc.

Can you hate the artist but not the art? Could somebody else perform them and not be pilloried for it? After all, people still listen to the music of Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and the Stones when Bill was with them. And while none of them were exactly paedophiles (Mandy was NOT a child), all three had sex with girls who were underage - ephebophiles.

Posted - January 10

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  • 34613
    Only after it old enough the younger generation doesn't know about it. 

    Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 yr old cousin...he should have went to prison.  
    I did not know about Presley...he should have also been in prison.  
    I don't know who your are talking about in the Stones. 

    Pedos makes you wonder just how many are there in the rich and famous. (Epstien,  Diddy) Alantis Morrisette  recently said the entire music industry is run by them.

    I say get the wood chipper. 
      January 11, 2025 6:06 AM MST
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  • 11225
    Not to justify it, but Jerry Lee Lewis married his child bride in a state where it was legal at the time. She was also not a first cousin, although there are plenty of places where first cousins can legally marry. I have observed a lot of statements on many subjects here, which say that if it's legal there is no problem with it.
      January 11, 2025 12:03 PM MST
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  • 34613
    No, it was not legal.  But only because Lewis was still married at the time.  
    But marrying your first cousin's kid does not sound any better.  Actually, worse to me. Like a pervert Uncle.
    I don't care if it was legal. They changed the law the following year probably because of him.

    Big difference between an 17-18 and a late 20s  (Gaez was sleazy) vs a 20s and a 13....(pedo...woodchipper time) This post was edited by my2cents at January 11, 2025 5:17 PM MST
      January 11, 2025 1:34 PM MST
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  • 11225
    Were you OK with Rudy Giuliani's marriage to his second cousin?
      January 11, 2025 4:52 PM MST
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  • 34613
    Was how old was she?
      January 11, 2025 4:59 PM MST
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  • 3961
    She was 21
      January 11, 2025 5:51 PM MST
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  • 34613
    And he was also in his 20s. They both she and he were grown adults who also did not know they were 2nd cousins at the time. It was listed as a reason for their divorce.  

    So no, I do not have a problem with their marriage. This post was edited by my2cents at January 12, 2025 4:40 AM MST
      January 12, 2025 4:31 AM MST
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  • 16895
    Stones bassist Bill Wyman and his lover Mandy Smith went public with their relationship when he was 47 and she was 14. This post was edited by Slartibartfast at January 12, 2025 4:11 AM MST
      January 11, 2025 11:02 PM MST
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  • 34613
    Then she was indeed a child. And he was a pedo and should have been sent to prison or the wood chipper. This post was edited by my2cents at January 12, 2025 4:34 AM MST
      January 12, 2025 4:28 AM MST
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  • 16895
    She wasn't a child physically - Wyman wasn't her first paramour. Sexually precocious, it happens. He probably wasn't even aware of exactly how young she was when they first got it on, like most of the band he spent the 70s and early 80s blitzed off his head.
    A paedophile is someone sexually attracted to children - prior to puberty. Warrants castration with a rusty knife and no anaesthetic. Forget the woodchipper - don't kill them, maim them and make them live like that. A hebephile is someone sexually attracted to pubescent adolescents. Same deal.
    An ephebophile is someone attracted to WOMEN who are sexually mature but still under the legal age of consent and thats a grey area - I've known fifteen-year-olds who can pass for 25 or more. My daughter was buying alcohol at sixteen without ID and she's baby faced like me - her DD bust was enough to convince most retailers that she couldn't be less than 18 (which is legal here).
    Wyman was unquestionably a predator but 16 is the legal age in the UK and Mandy looked a lot older than that. Going line for line with Bill (and others) would have been one of the reasons - hard drugs age you.
      January 12, 2025 3:23 PM MST
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  • 34613
    Wow. So if a child develops early, if is okay for a grow man middle aged man to have sex with her? Or because some other old prevented man already took molested her? 

    Sorry but that is sick and anyone who does that should go in wood chipper.....feet first.  

    I was able to by alcohol as a young teen as well.  Not because I looked older but many clerks do not want to miss a sale.  In fact, I was 22 when I was carded for the first time. (Clerk was sure I was of age) 

    Would you understand a nearly 50 year old man, having sex with your teen daughter simply because she had DDs at a young age? This post was edited by my2cents at January 12, 2025 5:14 PM MST
      January 12, 2025 5:13 PM MST
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  • 16895
    As I said, Wyman may have been unaware of Smith's true age - they were both blitzed to the t**s most of the time. Cocaine does that. Wyman wasn't her first lover and she later admitted to having chased him. She wasn't a child mentally either - a London street kid with a drug habit, streetwise beyond her years.
    In South Australia 18 is the legal age - I protected my daughter until then (she was attracting male attention but too young to handle it, she did have a boyfriend but there was only two years age difference) but after that she was her own mistress and I'm aware that she had multiple love affairs, some with older men. Her current partner is younger than she is (she's 35, he's 34). Said two years older boyfriend had been abusing her, I didn't know that until well after they broke up. I didn't go after him because her brother beat me to it, he wound up with serious injuries and is blind in one eye now.
      January 12, 2025 6:24 PM MST
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  • 34613
    He was a pedo.  A nearly 50 yr old with a teen is a pedo.  There are no excuses.  The 14 yr old did not force or trick the 50yr old pervert.  There is no defense. 
    I do not understand anyone trying to justify this type of abuse of a child.  It is NEVER the child's fault. This post was edited by my2cents at January 12, 2025 7:19 PM MST
      January 12, 2025 7:06 PM MST
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  • 16895
    50 with 16 is absolutely predatory but legal in the UK and Mandy was older than that in everything but her chronological age. No blame attached to her but it's almost certain she was using him to support her habit, she'd likely have been prostituting herself otherwise and when it comes to teen hookers, "her name is legion". The pimps and johns should have the business end of an electric chair wired directly to their genitalia but what should happen to them isn't the question.
    Charlie Chaplin was also an ephebophile, as was Errol Flynn.
      January 12, 2025 7:15 PM MST
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  • 34613
    He was a pedo. Period.   I don't know why you keep bringing up legal at 16yrs.  (Should not be.  Romeo and Juleit laws are normally reasonable but not this type of BS)  She was NOT 16yrs.  She was 14 yr old CHILD.  And he was a pedo.  
    Just because there are other famous pedos does not excuse or justify it.    Just confirms the "conspiracy theory" that many of the rich and famous are a bunch of pedos.  This why we do not have a list of Epstein's clients or Diddy's.  And who knows how many other pedo/pervert rings are out there that have not come to light yet. 

    And now, media/Hollywood and other groomers are trying to normalize it and justify it.  It is not normal, it is not a culture thing or anything else and there is no justification of sexual abuse of a child. 

    This post was edited by my2cents at January 13, 2025 5:20 AM MST
      January 12, 2025 7:32 PM MST
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  • 11225
    Since many people support politicians despite their actions, I assume they make the same choices about music.
      January 11, 2025 12:05 PM MST
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