PET isn't a local problem. He is a global problem. Right?

I totally agree with thee ( I know you're shocked) and I told an Answermugger who is a Brit that very thing this morning SH.  She said that she loved what I said because it was everything she was thinking about PET but she couldn't get away with it because she is a Brit. I told her on the contrary. She has much right to speak up as I do since this monster is going to affect the world. Everyone has a right to speak up and out about this evil perp is being unleashed on January 20, 2017 . He is already acting as if he is the president. His ignorance is going to cause a great deal of trouble. Why the current government doesn't shut him up and keep him away in mothballs until January 20 I don't know. But he is gonna do a lot of damage  before January 20. Just imagine how much he will be authorized to do after that? Thank you for your reply and Happy Saturday! :)

Unfortunately I cannot say I'm chocked. I warned about this scenario in the begin of august 2015 if not more Americans would take the threat serious. Ugh. Happy Saturday, Rosie. :-)

I was being facetious SH. We rarely disagree thee and me. But those who voted for him (at last count PET received 62,625,928 votes and Hillary received 65,152,112). That shocks me and will. That means that those 62 million plus PET voters are for this monster. What else could it mean? The 65+ million of which I am a member can't offset the 62.5+million who willingly VOTED FOR HIM. I'm pretty sure I will never get over that. It is such a shock to the system. He spoke to the leader of Taiwan thereby insulting China. The US does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. China considers Taiwan to be part of China and therefore  does not acknowledge any separate government. The US has not spoken to Taiwan for over 30 years! The Stupidly ignorant dumba**  did a hugely undiplomatic thing. He doesn't check with the current government. He knows nothing about diplomacy or protocol. He doesn't care to learn. The nightmare is expanding and we aren't gonna wake up from this one. There is no Deux ex Machina that can save us. SIGH:(

I cannot disagree with your observations. Still, I am unfortunately not shocked that enough people (negatively speaking) will have such hatred, and feel such glory by getting in touch with their inner beast. It is an ugly view, but one seen before, and tendencies have been there for a longer time across the western society. It's a disgrace.

Widerstand is needed to ensure Trump doesn't get a chance to make a coup like Hitler did in the 30's Germany. Let's have a look back in history. Worth a read, especially for those of you who believe Trump can be "tamed":


After Chancellor Papen left office, he secretly told Hitler that he still held considerable sway with President Hindenburg and that he would make Hitler chancellor as long as he, Papen, could be the vice chancellor.

Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor on 30 January 1933, in a coalition arrangement between the Nazis and the Nationalist-Conservatives. Papen was to serve as Vice-Chancellor in a majority conservative Cabinet – still falsely believing that he could "tame" Hitler.[44] Initially, Papen did speak out against some Nazi excesses, and only narrowly escaped death in the night of the long knives, whereafter he ceased to openly criticize the regime.

On 30 January 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor of a coalition government of the NSDAP-DNVP Party. The SA and SS led torchlight parades throughout Berlin. In the coalition government, three members of the cabinet were Nazis: Hitler, Wilhelm Frick (Minister of the Interior) and Hermann Göring (Minister Without Portfolio).

With Germans who opposed Nazism failing to unite against it, Hitler soon moved to consolidate absolute power.

At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense I tell you that the National Socialist movement will go on for 1,000 years! ... Don't forget how people laughed at me 15 years ago when I declared that one day I would govern Germany. They laugh now, just as foolishly, when I declare that I shall remain in power!

— Adolf Hitler to a British correspondent in Berlin, June 1934[56]

Following the Reichstag fire, the Nazis began to suspend civil liberties and eliminate political opposition. The Communists were excluded from the Reichstag. At the March 1933 elections, again no single party secured a majority. Hitler required the vote of the Centre Party and Conservatives in the Reichstag to obtain the powers he desired.[57] He called on Reichstag members to vote for the Enabling Act on 24 March 1933. Hitler was granted plenary powers "temporarily" by the passage of the Act.[57] The law gave him the freedom to act without parliamentary consent and even without constitutional limitations.[58]

Employing his characteristic mix of negotiation and intimidation, Hitler offered the possibility of friendly co-operation, promising not to threaten the Reichstag, the President, the States or the Churches if granted the emergency powers. With Nazi paramilitary encircling the building, he said: "It is for you, gentlemen of the Reichstag to decide between war and peace".[57] The Centre Party, having obtained promises of non-interference in religion, joined with conservatives in voting for the Act (only the Social Democrats voted against).[59]

The Act allowed Hitler and his Cabinet to rule by emergency decree for four years, though Hindenburg remained President.[60] Hitler immediately set about abolishing the powers of the states and the existence of non-Nazi political parties and organisations.[61] Non-Nazi parties were formally outlawed on 14 July, and the Reichstag abdicated its democratic responsibilities.[61]

Source: wikipedia.org

Wow! I am beyond awed m'dear. With the information you provided but  mostly how much time you invested in providing it and the great detail that came along with it. That is far above and beyond the call of being an excellent contributor. Beyond that I don't know what to say. I think things are in the works in the shadows to try to undo this terrible wrong. I think part of the problem is that we are still in shock. We still can't believe it. A miracle may occur. In what form or what manner I don't know. But I don't envision 4 years of a doofus donny. I have a very good imagination but not that good. I hope we're here in the next few years to talk about it! Thank you for your great and informative reply SH. I appreciate it and you !  :) ((hugs)) 

You're very much welcome, Rosie. And yes, hopefully we're around to see a better future than it looks right now. Hugs back at ya, and thanks for the lovely words. :-)

You're very welcome. Thank you for the consistent lovely replies to my questions. After a phone interview yesterday with Matt Lauer from The Today  Show we find that PET REALLY LIKES Obama a lot! PET has contacted OBAMA numerous times asking questions and getting his input about tons of things INCLUDING some of the selections PET is thinking of making and has made!  I was shocked at the degree of friendliness and cordiality that came from PET  about a man whom he had excoriated for years...whom he had never met.  Which shows that it's a lot easier to hate people we don't know than those we do.  Something  positive we can take away from PET. Perhaps the only thing. Happy Thursday SH! :)

Happy Thursday, Rosie. :-)

Thanks  SH. I wished you the same thing on another thread already today but it bears repeating! Happy Thursday rightbackatcha! :)

We saw how Neville Chamberlain tried to keep hold on Hitler. The result is very obvious today looking back on history. Some people cannot be negotiated with. Acceptance will NEVER be holding Trump back being less what he already has shown us.

Another look back in the history books:


Chamberlain sought to conciliate Germany and make the Nazi state a partner in a stable Europe.[82] He believed Germany could be satisfied by the restoration of some of her colonies, and during the Rhineland crisis of March 1936 he had stated that "if we were in sight of an all-round settlement the British government ought to consider the question" of restoration of colonies.[83]

The new Prime Minister's attempts to secure such a settlement were frustrated because Germany was in no hurry to talk to Britain. Foreign Minister Konstantin von Neurath was supposed to visit Britain in July 1937 but cancelled his visit.[82] Lord Halifax, the Lord President of the Council, visited Germany privately in November and met Hitler and other German officials. Both Chamberlain and British Ambassador to Germany Nevile Henderson pronounced the visit a success.[84] Foreign Office officials complained that the Halifax visit made it appear Britain was too eager for talks, and the Foreign Secretary, Anthony Eden, felt that he had been bypassed.[85]

Chamberlain also bypassed Eden while the Foreign Secretary was on holiday by opening direct talks with Italy, an international pariah for its invasion and conquest of Ethiopia.[86] At a Cabinet meeting on 8 September 1937, Chamberlain indicated that he saw "the lessening of the tension between this country and Italy as a very valuable contribution toward the pacification and appeasement of Europe" which would "weaken the Rome–Berlin axis".[87] The Prime Minister also set up a private line of communication with the Italian "Duce" Benito Mussolini through the Italian Ambassador, Count Dino Grandi.[88]

In February 1938 Hitler began to press the Austrian government to accept "Anschluss" or union between Germany and Austria. Chamberlain believed that it was essential to cement relations with Italy in the hope that an Anglo–Italian alliance would forestall Hitler from imposing his rule over Austria. Eden, however, believed Chamberlain was being too hasty in talking with Italy and holding out the prospect of de jure recognition of Italy's conquest of Ethiopia. Chamberlain concluded that Eden would have to accept his policy, or resign.[89] The Cabinet heard both men out but unanimously decided for Chamberlain. Despite efforts by other Cabinet members to prevent it, Eden resigned from office.[90] In later years, Eden tried to portray his resignation as a stand against appeasement (Churchill described him in The Second World War as "one strong young figure standing up against long, dismal, drawling tides of drift and surrender")[91] but many ministers[90] and MPs believed there was no issue at stake worth resignation.[92] Chamberlain appointed Lord Halifax as Foreign Secretary in Eden's place.[92]

Source: wikipedia.org

All right. Being somewhat familiar with Trump's background compared to Hitler I don't think Trump would ever be capable to become so dangerous ; at least not intentionally. 

They did not take his statements serious either. There is a comparison. How far he (Trump) will take it, only time will show. Meanwhile we can sit and say, he won't be that bad... How do we handle bullies in the school yard? Looking the other way and say, he won't be as bad as the worst was... at least not intentionally! It's not so much about their backgrounds solely, but more soever about their personalities.

I think Trump has demonstrated somewhat of sociopathic personality.  

Don't think we can do much more than wait and see what develops.

If all we can do is wait we will be doomed. I hope there will be enough pressure by public on the congressmen and senators not to hand him more power than he already will have. They, together with the world community are all that can help us. And by world community I'm not having Putin or any of the other despots around the world in mind. It is up to people to make their politicians understand what we will tolerate and what not. Hopefully, hopefully it won't be too late... I do however fear history is repeating itself and letting another madman run the show. We had Mussolini and Hitler, say hello to Putin and Trump (we can always have an academic arguing about who is who). End of rant.

All right  ..good rant.

That could work if and only if PET had no power. But if nothing happens to stop him and he is in fact inaugurated January 20, 2017 then the ball is in his court and there it will stay. What happens after that will thrill his worshippers. PET can do no wrong in their eyes. Everyone else will simply have to deal with it.  I don't take him seriously. I can't take him seriously. But  how I think and feel will not  prevent him from having his way with everything/everyone. The deck is stacked against us Kg. He owns the House and the Senate which are both a Republican Majority. He will own SCOTUS. The Supreme Court will be larded with ALT RIGHT WHITE nationalists. He will hold all the cards, deal them and find a way to win every hand. We have a real president now. Barack Obama. Until January 20,  2017 and then we have no one but a fascist racist ignorant clown. That's just the way it is and we have those who voted for him to thank for it . The nice thing is they will all get burned along with the rest of us. Thank you for your reply and Happy Wednesday! :) This post was edited by RosieG at December 7, 2016 4:22 PM MST

Funnee hunnee! Thank you for your reply B and Happy Thursday to thee! :)