If You Would Be Willing?
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1. If Sanders had won the Democratic primary, do you think he could have defeated Trump?
2. “…in a country where most people think socialism means a Soviet-style managed economy and dictatorship,” what did you think of Sanders’ brand of democratic socialism?
I found this quote on QUORA: “All in all, had the (Democratic primary) election been fair and run neutrally…the worst estimates I’ve seen put Bernie at 184 delegates and several million votes over Hillary.” So,
3. Did the DNC really do lots of dirty tricks to ensure the Clinton candidacy, such as rigging the primaries?
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Sanders-lose-the-popular-vote-by-over-3-6M-votes-to-Clinton-in-2016
Exactly, this is why, I think, both Paul and Sanders carried the same supporters. There is an understanding of government function within the millennial gen that few other voting sects fully grasp - the inability for any one ideology / philosophy to ever* possess complete power. It is designed to prevent just that...
I think Sanders diehard supporters new fully well that Clinton could lose if they sat out in the same way Romney did. It was punishment for shutting them out. And I suspect they did it with the same understanding of of govt., Trump's extreme policy ideas would meet the same opposition as Sanders, Paul or anyone else seeking to completely impose an ideology.
This post was edited by ForkNdaRoad at April 3, 2017 6:54 AM MDTThat is certainly the theme in the sentiment expressed to me by those I know. And for my part, I knew that going into the 2012 election with Romney and Obama. In fact, I reiterated to multiple conservatives I knew who actively encouraged shutting Paul by any means necessary. Course the blame for that falls on the parties, not the voters.
I've noticed that as well, so few realize America was designed to prevent one President from completely changing the country. For their part though, millennials seem keenly aware of that fact. That is the most heartening indicator about their gen.
#1:
Yes, I think he would have undoubtedly won. His was a movement far surpassing that of Trump voters and he was also deemed an outsider of sorts. He may not have changed* the electoral map the way that Trump did, but he would have changed it nonetheless.
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I completely *disagree with him philosophically, we truly couldn't be further removed from one another. But I think he actually believes in that model and it isn't just catchy rhetoric for him like so many other politicians or wannabe politicians. I have much respect for him admitting to his philosophy with disregard for how he may be branded. There's much to be admired about truth in advertising.
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I suspect they did to him what was done by repubs to Ron Paul in 2012. It needn't be illegally 'rigged,' what they do is technically legal as primaries aren't subject to federal election laws. They can deny him of the primary 'just cuz' and regardless of whether or not he won by the rules -- they make the rules. It isn't illegal, but completely unethical.
Sorry about that, I'm glad you pointed it out to me, that was riddled with typos. I tried my best to fix it.
It is truly astounding that something like this has happened in not one, but two primaries consecutively and in both parties. What's more, their campaigns were identical in several ways. Both were considered Independent elects until they aligned with the parties to run for president. Both were widely respected for sticking to their guns, even though they were deemed fringe for it. They were even carrying the same base of supporters, imagine that.
I had no idea in 2012 that the party primaries operated outside of federal election laws. I learned more about government than I ever wanted to know in that election. Enough that I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the only way to repair our electoral system is to abolish the power the two parties hold. The must be subject to federal elections law if they are to exist, I think we'd all be better off if they no longer existed and we either revisit the way electoral votes are cast, by referendum at the state level, or we institute an approval voting system and be done with the parties altogether.
Should you decide you'd like to research that premise, I have a wealth of information about the two campaigns.
Ahh, well those (quantum theory etc.) much bigger fish to fry. lol
Likewise and thanks to you as well :)