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200 Dems are suing Trump citing the violation of the EMOLUMENTS clause of the Constitution. They invite Republicans to join. Would YOU?

Posted - June 14, 2017

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  • 1233
    The emoluments clause is about a president not being beholden to a foreign interest.

    The idea that making money from hotel rooms somehow makes Trump beholden to anyone or somehow divides his loyalties is ludicrous. Trump couldn't give a damn about that money.

    The people doing this are very intellectually dishonest. They are taking advantage of the legal ignorance of the average person.

    This post was edited by Zeitgeist at July 7, 2018 2:11 PM MDT
      June 14, 2017 1:50 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Read THE FACTS.  That is NOT remotely correct.  WHO CARES how he is making the money?  Who cares if he is selling Silly Putty?

    What he chooses to do is illegal.  NOT legal.



    On Inauguration Day, Donald Trump placed his hand on a Bible and promised to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. At the time, many ethics experts waited to see if Trump would divest himself of his multi-billion dollar business interests.

    "And he didn't do it," says Zephyr Teachout, an associate law professor at Fordham University. "So immediately upon becoming president we filed a lawsuit to get him to stop violating the Constitution."
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    The lawsuit was filed by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group. The lawsuit says the president is violating the Emoluments Clause — a provision in the Constitution which prevents government officials from accepting gifts, benefits and the like from foreign leaders or foreign states.
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    Teachout says Trump's businesses are generating profits from foreign governments — especially his hotels and resorts.

    "Diplomats from foreign governments and their agents are staying in Trump hotels, like the Trump hotel in D.C.," says Teachout, who is part of the lawsuit. "That's money from foreign governments going into our president's pocket while he is making decisions that affect those countries."

    Trump promised any profits from foreign governments will be donated to the U.S. Treasury — so far, that hasn't happened. The Trump Organization says the donation will be made on an annual basis after the end of each calendar year. Trump also placed ownership of his business in a revokable trust, despite calls for him to divest from his business interests.
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    But these moves won't stop more Trump hotels from springing up. Eric Danziger, the CEO of Trump Hotels, recently revealed the company is planning a major expansion in the U.S. of both its luxury properties, as well as some of its new lower-priced Scion hotels.

    Meanwhile, Trump's eldest sons — Eric and Donald Jr. — have also been traveling regularly overseas to open hotels and golf courses, and check out dormant and current resort projects.

    Eric Trump was recently in Doonbeg, Ireland, where the Trump Organization is trying to build a wall around parts of the links at its five-star golf resort.

    Ellie Donnolly, a reporter with the Irish Independent newspaper, says it's a beautiful location. "But the sea is eroding the cliff area, and the area where the golf course is. And what the Trump resort is arguing is if we don't build this wall...to protect the golf course it will become destroyed," she says.

    Environmentalists are against building the wall. A county council will make the final decision. A well-timed visit by the U.S. president's son could be seen as helping sway any decision.
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    This blending of business and the presidency worries many ethics experts because it could include trade policies and security issues. Take China, for example. Trump fought a decade-long legal battle there to register a trademark in connection with construction services. It was finally granted about one month after Trump's inauguration.
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    Peter Riebling, a trademark lawyer in Washington, D.C., says soon after, 38 other trademarks for everything from hotels to spas, were also granted.

    "Those applications just sailed through," he said, "And, oddly, they were all granted at the same time, all at once." Riebling says that's very unusual. "Not just in China but anywhere really," he says.

    Riebling says getting trademark approvals in a market like China is huge.

    "Let me be very clear...if a foreign government is granting that to the Trump Organization...that would certainly be an economic benefit to the organization," he says.

    At the same time, Riebling says Trump is caught in a Catch-22 situation. He fought to get the trademarks in an effort to build and protect his brand. Even if the timing is suspicious, Riebling says Trump can hardly ask China to reverse its decision to grant the trademarks.

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at June 19, 2017 4:33 AM MDT
      June 18, 2017 10:38 AM MDT
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  • 1233
    Asking Trump to divest is unreasonable. He can't trust other people with his empire.

    Any conflicts of interest are a separate issue and nothing to do with constitutional law. Doing business is not an emolument. You don't know what the word means and you have no argument.

    https://www.yourdictionary.com/emolument

    An emolument is a salary or fee obtained for holding OFFICE or for your EMPLOYMENT. The word implies being beholden to a boss. Trump is his own boss.
      June 18, 2017 12:55 PM MDT
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  • 6023
    No, I wouldn't.
    Why?  For the reason TrumpianZeitgeist mentions.

    Also, Trump can't be required to sell his business holdings ... per the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.
    You know.  The one that prohibits unreasonable seizures - which has been interpreted by the courts as also prohibiting the government requiring you to sell your property without good reason.
      June 15, 2017 3:20 PM MDT
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  • 113301
     Thank you for your reply W O'R and Happy Saturday. What about the emoluments clause ? Why is every Trumpet ignoring that?
      June 17, 2017 5:15 AM MDT
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  • 6023

    No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

    Though the definition of "emolument" includes "compensation for services" ... To me, given the language of the entire clause, in this case it is referring to monetary gifts or services like giving special favors.  At the time, I can't imagine the Founders even conceiving of a situation where some official is receiving payment for just having their name on a building.  "Brand Marketing" has only existed for a couple decades.  >  IMO the question is: Can we PROVE President Trump is/has given favorable treatment to anyone, on the basis of them renting space in property he has his name on?  It's a given they wish him to.  But can we point to a time he changed his position based on it?  Given his contradictory texts and actions, it would be a difficult task at best.  (But maybe that's his plan?  LOL)

    So we're really left with a "Constitutional Crisis", which can only be resolved by changing the Constitution or taking the matter before the Supreme Court.  Does the "Emoluments Clause" trump (pun intended) the 3rd and 4th Amendments?

      June 18, 2017 10:32 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    You know?  You need to read.  That is what I know.  READ. 
      June 18, 2017 10:39 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    Dear Walter Ronald Reagan,

    First of all:  This has zero to do with the 4th Amendment. 

    He did an illegal move.  He did it first.  So he cannot cry 4th Amendment to protect something that was an initial illegal action.

    On Inauguration Day, Donald Trump placed his hand on a Bible and promised to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. At the time, many ethics experts waited to see if Trump would divest himself of his multi-billion dollar business interests.

    "And he didn't do it," says Zephyr Teachout, an associate law professor at Fordham University. "So immediately upon becoming president we filed a lawsuit to get him to stop violating the Constitution."
    House Oversight Panel Has Questions About Trump Businesses And Foreign Emoluments
    Politics
    House Oversight Panel Has Questions About Trump Businesses And Foreign Emoluments

    The lawsuit was filed by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group. The lawsuit says the president is violating the Emoluments Clause — a provision in the Constitution which prevents government officials from accepting gifts, benefits and the like from foreign leaders or foreign states.
    In Trump's First 100 Days, A Resistance Network Digs In
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    Teachout says Trump's businesses are generating profits from foreign governments — especially his hotels and resorts.

    "Diplomats from foreign governments and their agents are staying in Trump hotels, like the Trump hotel in D.C.," says Teachout, who is part of the lawsuit. "That's money from foreign governments going into our president's pocket while he is making decisions that affect those countries."

    Trump promised any profits from foreign governments will be donated to the U.S. Treasury — so far, that hasn't happened. The Trump Organization says the donation will be made on an annual basis after the end of each calendar year. Trump also placed ownership of his business in a revokable trust, despite calls for him to divest from his business interests.
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    But these moves won't stop more Trump hotels from springing up. Eric Danziger, the CEO of Trump Hotels, recently revealed the company is planning a major expansion in the U.S. of both its luxury properties, as well as some of its new lower-priced Scion hotels.

    Meanwhile, Trump's eldest sons — Eric and Donald Jr. — have also been traveling regularly overseas to open hotels and golf courses, and check out dormant and current resort projects.

    Eric Trump was recently in Doonbeg, Ireland, where the Trump Organization is trying to build a wall around parts of the links at its five-star golf resort.

    Ellie Donnolly, a reporter with the Irish Independent newspaper, says it's a beautiful location. "But the sea is eroding the cliff area, and the area where the golf course is. And what the Trump resort is arguing is if we don't build this wall...to protect the golf course it will become destroyed," she says.

    Environmentalists are against building the wall. A county council will make the final decision. A well-timed visit by the U.S. president's son could be seen as helping sway any decision.
    China OKs 38 Trump Trademarks; Critics Say It Violates Emoluments Clause
    The Two-Way
    China OKs 38 Trump Trademarks; Critics Say It Violates Emoluments Clause

    This blending of business and the presidency worries many ethics experts because it could include trade policies and security issues. Take China, for example. Trump fought a decade-long legal battle there to register a trademark in connection with construction services. It was finally granted about one month after Trump's inauguration.
    China Defends Trademark Grants For Ivanka Trump Products
    The Two-Way
    China Defends Trademark Grants For Ivanka Trump Products

    Peter Riebling, a trademark lawyer in Washington, D.C., says soon after, 38 other trademarks for everything from hotels to spas, were also granted.

    "Those applications just sailed through," he said, "And, oddly, they were all granted at the same time, all at once." Riebling says that's very unusual. "Not just in China but anywhere really," he says.

    Riebling says getting trademark approvals in a market like China is huge.

    "Let me be very clear...if a foreign government is granting that to the Trump Organization...that would certainly be an economic benefit to the organization," he says.

    At the same time, Riebling says Trump is caught in a Catch-22 situation. He fought to get the trademarks in an effort to build and protect his brand. Even if the timing is suspicious, Riebling says Trump can hardly ask China to reverse its decision to grant the trademarks. This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at June 19, 2017 4:34 AM MDT
      June 18, 2017 10:44 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    Shar ... I read plenty.
    I just don't believe everything I read, and I actually think for myself.

    Read my second response.
    It has everything to do with the Third and Fourth Amendments.
    You can't force Trump to sell his business holdings, without violating the Fourth Amendment.
    Nor can you force him to house the Secret Service and military without pay, without violating the Third Amendment.

    So, which part of the Constitution is "more equal"?

    And as I state ... can you PROVE President Trump gave favorable treatment to anyone?
    I have not seen any news story even coming close to such evidence. This post was edited by Walt O'Reagun at June 19, 2017 11:48 AM MDT
      June 19, 2017 11:45 AM MDT
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