Your argument doesn't make sense. Yes, some doctors abuse children. Does that mean all doctors cannot be trusted? Some parents abuse children, does that mean all parents should not have children? Some drivers speed. Does that mean we should not allow anyone to drive? Some people commit internet crimes. Should we shut off the world wide web?
This is why your argument is illogical.
Most people argue vaccines are necessary and cite doctors and scientists. Well, as you've so aptly pointed out, some doctors abuse children. I might as well create an argument that says we should not use any data presented by doctors or scientists because some of them abuse children. That would be illogical though. Just as your argument was.
Of course your think my argument doesn't make sense---it's based on the implied argument you make in this whole thread about your position on this subject.
I'm simply taking your position and showing that the basic assumptions for your syllogism are incorrectly extended propositions---thus negating your conclusions.
As you said already, you have medical reasons for not vaccinating your children, therefore the penalty at least here in this state would not apply.
It's not about pushing values or beliefs onto others. It's not a "Belief" that vaccinations have saved many children from diseases. It's a medical FACT. Just read about Polio. "Belief"--- give me a friggin' break with that malarkey.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
As I expressed, with this particular vaccine, there are medical reasons why we don't do it. That isn't true of all the vaccines. Furthermore, I don't care if I'm exempt from a penalty. It isn't right. The government should not have domain over my body or my children's bodies. If I don't stand up and say I disagree, even though I would not be penalized, then I stand for nothing. I wholly disagree with the premise.
If you can't win the discussion, change the subject. If that doesn't work then switch to personal insults. Except when discussing science. Then you go directly to personal insults.
I respect the rights of others to have an opinion. If I didn't, this discussion wouldn't be here. That's not even close to the same thing as forcing others to adopt or take part in a belief system.
The "facts" vary based on the source. Either you haven't read any medical literature or you simply choose to believe an alternate version of the "truth."
LMAO as if anti vax itself isnt an alternative version of the "truth." like what ???? what kind of mental gymnastics does it take to come to these conclusions.
I understand that completely, which is why I think my opinion carries more credence. Even knowing someone else's unvaccinated child could get mine sick, I still would not force them to vaccinate. Why is THAT so hard for people to understand? I respect personal freedoms. I will take care of my own children and I expect others to do the same.
Chances of Dying from... Alcohol or Drugs: 1/34 A car accident: 1/77 Firearms: 1/77 A fall: 1/83 Fire: 1/821 Measles: 1/1000 (if contracted)
I'm putting my children at greater risk by putting them in a car. I'm putting my children at greater risk by letting them run, play, and climb. I'm putting them at greater risk by living in a home that can burn down. Exponentially.
There are risks associated with literally everything we do. Statistically, measles are the least of our worries.
You could argue that. Before the MMR, it was 3/ 1000. That was also at a time where medicine wasn't what it is today, nor was hygiene, but I have no problem giving you that one for the sake of picking battles. Even if vaccines have reduced it from 3/1000 to 1/1000, all sorts of everyday activities are still a whole lot more dangerous.
yeah they're pretty rare but they're rare because most people are vaccinated. unforunately tho it seems like more and more people think they are more educated and informed than doctors and scientists and are deciding to not vaccinate their children
Earlier, I said it was a discussion for a person to have with their doctor, not the government. Ergo, I was not suggesting people should ignore what medical professionals have to say. I was simply saying it's not the government's business to get involved.
There are risks associated with everything. There are risks associated with not being vaccinated. There are risks associated with getting vaccines. It should not be the government's place to dictate what happens with my body and which risks I choose to accept. Again, if you want vaccines for yourself, then more power to you. If you want to vaccinate your own children one day, more power to you. I'm not taking away your right to choose. I'm saying you should have the choice. As should everyone else.
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