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It is like the nouveau riche who become rich later in life and give the rich a BAD NAME. Same with those who find GOD late in life. WHY?

They are usually officious TWITS who tell those of us who always were believers a thing or two.  They think they have all the answers. Revelations were brought to them to change their paths in life. Late bloomers are not usually brilliant thinkers. All the time they lost not believing we spent believing. Why they think they are such hot stuff I cannot fathom. Can you?

Posted - May 22, 2019
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  • 10769
    It's better that one "finds God" later in life than "find Him" not at all.  

    Those who have believed for a long time tend to become complacent in it.  They tend to think they have all the answers.  Long time believers shouldn't be too quick to dismiss what a "newbie" has to say.  However, they should have the wisdom to know whether it's truth they speak or their own ideologies.   Sometimes a long time believer might need a kick in the pants from the newbies as they have strayed without realizing it.
      May 22, 2019 1:29 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your reply Shuhak. Well if oldtimers need a kick in the pants it sure as he** ain't gonna be from Newbies. Just my opinion. I don't share yours. This post was edited by RosieG at May 22, 2019 2:12 PM MDT
      May 22, 2019 1:33 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Why do you think it's necessary for others to "find God" at all? If you believe in God and derive something from that, good for you, but what's it to you what other folks do or don't believe? The existence of any deity and in what form is a matter of opinion anyway. This post was edited by Stu Spelling Bee at May 23, 2019 12:06 AM MDT
      May 22, 2019 7:44 PM MDT
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  • 10769
    Because I love them.

    It is no opinion, it is fact.  God is real.  The proof is all around, fully visible for all to see.  When someone comes to realize this, I am happy for them.  And when they come to know His Son and what He did on our behalf, it gives me joy to no end.
      May 22, 2019 11:45 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    So God is real to you, and that's great, but you're delusional if you believe that God exists in any objective reality. The only reality is that God's existence is a self-fulfilling prophecy. God exists to you because you believe God does, and God doesn't exist to an atheist because he/she doesn't believe God does. Really, who are you to impose your belief on others? If you truly love others as you claim to, you would not think about or concern yourself with their beliefs, and you would have the humility not to assume that your belief in God is somehow better, superior to, or more valid than what others believe. Isn't pride/lack of humility a pretty big sin in the Christian belief system? This post was edited by Stu Spelling Bee at May 23, 2019 12:21 AM MDT
      May 23, 2019 12:20 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    Most people would acknowledge that the existence of (let's say) the Abrahamic God is wholly independent of any human's opinion or personal beliefs.

    We Christians do not impose our beliefs on others---although we argue among ourselves about the details of our beliefs---but for us believers, the Bible tells us to proclaim the "Good News" to the peoples of all nations.

    And if God does in fact exist, I would argue that my belief in God is---as you suggest---better, superior to, and better than your disbelief---if for no other reason than the fact my mind would, unlike yours, be in conformity with that which exists.




      May 23, 2019 12:36 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    "If God exists," and therein lies the rub. God only exists in belief, not in objective reality beyond the shadow of doubt, which was my whole point to Shuhak. The sky is blue and grass is green. These are physical properties that we can all see and agree on. Not so with God. What you and Shuhak are doing is tantamount to arguing about how many angels can dance on a pinhead when you can neither see nor count those angels. Very silly.
      May 23, 2019 3:32 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    God either exists or He does not.  If He exists only in one's mind, then He exists at the very least as a potential being.

    It seems likely that sooner or later all humans will come to know whether the existence of a God is a real thing. 

    If it turns out that He does exist, do you think that having decided that He did not exist will make no difference to you at that time?
      May 23, 2019 4:37 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    So your point is simply that there is no proof that we humans can agree on that would prove or disprove the existence of a God.

    Did you think neither Shuhak nor I ever noticed that? 

    Of course, if belief were irrefutable, we would have no choice other than to believe and that would conflict with the freedom deriving from humanity that you assert that we humans possess in your reply to officegirl.
      May 23, 2019 4:48 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Obviously, belief is subjective and not irrefutable, which is exactly why belief or non-belief in God is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Thank you for affirming my point.
      May 23, 2019 5:44 PM MDT
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  • 10769
    So what you're saying is that my beliefs are hogwash but yours aren't?

    Let's say you're a Beatles fan and you came somehow across an authentic song by them that no one had ever heard before.  Let's say that the copy of the song you have is the only copy of it in the entire world.   Would you keep it to yourself or would you want to tell someone else so they could share this great find with you?   "You'll never guess what I found!"   What if the person you told hated the Beatles; would you force them to listen to it?  "C'mon, just give it a listen  You don't know what your missing!"  Of course, some people are going to tell you it's not real.  "There's no such thing as a Beatles song that hasn't been heard yet".  "It doesn't exist."  'Your delusional if you think it's real."

    I found something that I believe is exceptionally valuable.  Am I wrong to want to share that find with others?   
      May 23, 2019 3:32 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Your beliefs can be real and valuable to you but hogwash to me, and vice versa. That's all I'm saying. Enjoy and live by them to your heart's content, but don't be so arrogant as to assume they will be of the same value to others as they are to you. When it comes to religion, one size does not fit all. Some Christians fail to grasp that.
      May 23, 2019 3:38 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Isn't atheism a lack of belief?
      May 23, 2019 4:51 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      May 23, 2019 3:44 AM MDT
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  • 6098
    Yes.  Let the naysayers use the freedom God has given them to cluck, whine, temporize, reason, and pontificate.  I choose joy!
      May 23, 2019 7:06 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    Or, perhaps, the freedom deriving from humanity that some like yourself choose to attribute to God in order to fit their religious narrative.
      May 23, 2019 3:44 PM MDT
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  • "Late bloomers are not usually brilliant thinkers" Is this a conclusion that you arrived at late in life? I have no desire to argue with you on spiritual matters, so I won't. I was taught in my youth not to do such things. I was born into the faith nearly seven decades ago, but that doesn't make me an expert. All of this time as a believer that you place so much importance in, doesn't make you one either. When the thief on the cross asked Jesus to remember him when He (Jesus) came into His kingdom, who came away with the bad name? Christ was in the very act of dying for the man's eternal security. I hate to disappoint you, but that man's salvation was as secure as someone who had been in the faith a hundred years. If you've been a believer for a lifetime, then you doubtless know something of the "fruits of the Spirit". Bitterness, divisiveness and discord aren't among them.
      May 22, 2019 7:14 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Well, I do agree that being born "into the faith" 70 or so years ago doesn't guarantee that such a person is an expert---nor does a lifetime of belief assure salvation. 

    But I see no virtue (and perhaps, on the contrary, the work of the devil himself) in such a person's disinclination to share the conclusions that he must surely have reached on some "Christian" matters.

    One of the valid purposes of sites like these is for people reading the answers to questions that interest them helps them come to their own conclusions.

    Feel free to share your thoughts. 




      May 23, 2019 9:51 AM MDT
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  • 6098
    I would not begrudge anyone their new-found enthusiasm in God.  I really think it is a beautiful thing.  And we can learn from everyone - even non-believers.  For they were lost and now they are found - cause for rejoicing!  Not cause for bitterness and one-upping. 
      May 22, 2019 7:33 PM MDT
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