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How is our leisure time Corbyn's business?

I heard on this morning's news that Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn has criticised the culture of drinking after work. Now, I very seldom drink alcohol myself, but most of the occasions when I did within living memory have been after work, with colleagues. But Corbyn is a vegetarian, and I am not. Perhaps he will have a go at those of us who eat meat next. Jeremy is an old Labour socialist, the kind who brought the country to its knees, and made us the sick man of Europe, in the seventies. Sadly, I have all too vivid memories of those dark days. Which they were, with the lights going out due to the electricity unions striking. Socialists believe the state has the right to try to control all aspects of our lives. Frankly, that is pretty much the reverse of what I believe. The state has a responsibility to provide things like health care, social security, education, and such aspects as are necessary to our wellbeing and protection. Beyond that, it should keep its hands off us. Goverments cannot organise the proverbial p__s up in a brewery, and should be actively discouraged from running most things. What we do in our leisure time, be it drinking after work, or anything else, is certainly not the states, or Jeremy Corbyn's, business. Does anyone think Corbyn was justified in making this comment?

Posted - September 2, 2016

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  • Bez

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    It's not his business, but politicians are like that no matter which party they stand for, and he was not justified in making such comments. As for the rest of your paragraph, Labour are better at providing things like health care, social security, education, and such aspects as are necessary to our wellbeing and protection that the Conservatives ever were or ever will be.

    One thing I do definitely agree with you on, Harry: "Goverments cannot organise the proverbial p__s up in a brewery, and should be actively discouraged from running most things". You are absolutely spot on there. Lol:)

      September 2, 2016 8:30 AM MDT
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  • Bez

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    Lol:)

      September 2, 2016 8:30 AM MDT
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  • 124

    From what I have read in your post, (i.e. without looking further into the context of it and his rationale), I agree, he has no place to make judgement on this.

    Just as a side note, and I have no particular interest in defending Corbyn as such, I do recall from a while back that despite being a vegetarian, he was keen on improving farming practices as opposed to eradicating livestock production completely. I don't think anyone in their right minds could disagree that newer farming practices are not in anyone's best interest. He is clearly not going to be saying "I'm a vegetarian so you should be too". I do believe that he is vegetarian more because of some of the methods being developed in modern farming practices as opposed to the idea of eating meat as such. 

    Aha! I thought I'd take a quick look at the news story you were referring to, and it seems he has a very specific reasoning on his views on after work drinking, which you did not feel necessary to include in your post?!

    Finally, I do think he is as entitled as anyone to express his opinions, however I doubt he would be stupid enough to believe the government could create some sort of ban on after work drinking. 

      September 2, 2016 8:41 AM MDT
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  • Bez

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      September 2, 2016 8:46 AM MDT
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  • 739
    Sunmoonandstars, I had heard that Corbyn's comments were something to do with women, but I guess I got a bit carried away with my own rhetoric. I think Jeremy is making some sweeping assumptions. It has not been my experience that women are excluded from after work drinks, and he seems to be assuming that some sort of macho culture is going on, which may be true in some cases, but not all. I see he also said something about women needing to go home to look after the kids, instead of joining in the drinks. I thought child care was seen as shared between the man and the woman in these progressive times, but I may be wrong.
    Andy, I don't agree that Labour has been better at running health and social security. They have presided over some of the worst periods for both. Remember the seventies, when Jobcentres used to have bullet proof glass partitions, to protect the staff from attacks? Also, 1975 was one of the worst periods for the NHS. Underfunding was chronic, and hospitals that were meant to be being built were just holes in the ground. Mind you, Social Security has got worse and worse since the time of Blair, whoever has been in power. I don't have a lot of faith in education policy under either party.
    I supported the Conservatives when Thatcher was in charge; I would have denationalised and brought in restrictions on the unions (which were entirely fair, in my opinion) if I had been running things. But I don't like what Cameron did at all. I don't really like anyone in politics these days. I don't really regard myself as either left or right wing. I have views that fall into both camps. I just believe in what I think is right. The idea that any one political party or wing has a monopoly on being correct is a load of crap! Our American friends are particularly bad at that. The left and right there really hate each other, and refuse to see that both sides have something to offer, and that both of them want what is best for their country, even though they disagree on how to do it. I find most of these yanks quite frustrating and hard work. That is why I don't go on this site every day. Sometimes, I need a break from them! By the way, as I never actually log out, it probably shows me as here, when I'm not actually here.
    Is there anything else I want to say here? Ah, yes. Sure, Corbyn is entitled to his opinion, but he said this at a speech at Unison's headquarters, which was intended to promote a women's rights policy, so he WAS actually turning his thoughts on what we do in our leisure time into a political statement. Which, to return to the original point of my rant, is overstepping the mark!
    Thank you all for responding, and Sunmoon, you seem to be new around here, so a special hello to you!
      September 2, 2016 2:47 PM MDT
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  • 739
    I just noticed that Mr. Bugler is new around here, also, so I extend the special hello to you, too!
      September 2, 2016 3:08 PM MDT
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  • He made the comments because he feels the culture of after work drinks is unfair to women who have child care responsibilities.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/drinks-after-work-are-unfair-on-mothers-jeremy-corbyn-claims/

    This is the left; an endless obsession with equality that can't possibly hope to be implemented without sucking every last bit of joy and prosperity out of life. The man is simply a threat to national security. He's a political weapon of mass destruction.

      September 3, 2016 7:12 AM MDT
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  • 124

    Thank you for your kind welcome. 

    Yes, I know, most of these issues are never black and white. He may have some good points, applied to some situations, but it is not, and never is, the whole picture. Black and white, binary politics don't sit right with me either. All it does is create conflict, which tends to mask the real issues. 

    I take your point re. the context where he made these statements. 

      September 3, 2016 10:17 AM MDT
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  • 214

    Sadly, Harry, that is part of having a 'nanny state.' My husband, a Scot, laughed when he read this on-line.

      September 6, 2016 8:08 AM MDT
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