Discussion»Statements»Rosie's Corner» Is it in the realm of possibility that a self-described GENIUS is stupid? Can they co-exist? Can the IQ and the LQ be enemies?
logic has little to do with IQ. there are people out there with high IQ's and yet are stupid beyond belief. likewise, there are people with low IQs and yet are very "smart".
book learning does not equal common sense. one has to put into practice what they've learned. (stupidity for dummies)
Book learning is not an indication of I.Q. Shuhak. A brilliant mind can exist outside of the "facts" it learns or knows. True? What surprises me is that someone with an ALLEGED IQ of 158 can be such a blithering idiot s is the trump. In my opinion. Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday. There are folks with photographic memories. I wonder if that is related to I.Q? I shall ask..
Although the terms eidetic memory and photographic memory are popularly used interchangeably,[1] they are also distinguished, with eidetic memory referring to the ability to view memories like photographs for a few minutes,[3] and photographic memory referring to the ability to recall pages of text or numbers, or similar, in great detail.[4][5] When the concepts are distinguished, eidetic memory is reported to occur in a small number of children and as something generally not found in adults,[2][6] while true photographic memory has never been demonstrated to exist.
I Googled it early on m'dear. I could not believe my eyes. Of course there is no guarantee that GOOGLE is 100% accurate either! Did you read my question about HYPERTHYMESIA? Photographic Eidetic is one thing. HYPERTHYMESIA is another thing entirely. 12 in the world have been identified as having that condition. Autobiographical memory. Actress Marilu Henner is one of the 12. Give her a date and she will tell you what she did on that say. She has been tested up the ying yang. She doesn't forget anything. I couldn't handle that. Some things I long to forget. Thank you for your reply! :)
I do not disagree with your main point that there are people with high IQs who are stupid. However, the best IQ tests are designed to take into account education, or lack of education, as well as cultural biases.
Additionally, there are other expressions of intelligence than IQ. There are in fact people with very high levels of common sense who lack book learning. Book learning is nothing more than a means of transferring information, including facts and concepts. I have known several people in my lifetime who had multiple doctorates in highly technical esoteric fields of study, but who were almost completely unable to communicate with people that had even above average IQs.
Forrest Gump's mama said: "Stupid is as stupid does."
I don't know if you watch the TV series Bonesor Big BangTheory. Both shows have characters that are extremely intelligent - but have little understanding of social interactions.
So yes, one may be highly intelligent but appear to be stupid.
I was thinking specifically of the trump. Allegedly he has an IQ of 158. But he seems to be incredibly stupid. Numbers do lie sometimes Walt. Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday! :)
What these shows demonstrate are people with high Intelligence Quotients (IQs) but who have low Emotional Quotients (EQs). Unfortunately, very smart children tend to be ostracized by their peers, resulting in fewer opportunities to develop higher EQ. As time goes on, the extremely inteligent become increasingly isolated from "normals."
I know a member of Mensa and when someone tells him he's a genius he humbly says - well I don't know about genius maybe a little bit above average. All the smart people I know seem to down play their intelligence (until its needed) so I think Trump bragging that he is a genius points out that he is not. I don't really know if the IQ and the LQ can be enemies but the next time I see Smarty Marty I'll ask him. Cheers!
Unless the membership standards have changed, people "a little bit above average" are not members of Mensa unless there is a unknown "admission scandals" issue with Mensa like the one for college admissions that is still playing out.
And I'm not sure what you mean about smart people "playing down" their intelligence until needed. I have two working legs---why would I choose want to hope around the block as opposed to walking or running? All three methods would get me around the block, but to what purpose?
No my buddy has enough IQ points to be a genius he just doesn't like to brag about it and he would rather have people think he's just a regular guy. I guess what I meant by down play is sometimes they will just stand back and let people figure out things for themselves instead of always telling people the solution but they will be there if you really need them. Cheers!
My son is a genius tom. He "plays down" that fact. He doesn't think he is such hot stuff. No disrespect to you intended. He has always been very modest. Some people just are wired that way. Others like thee and me (you know I always say what I think) are wired differently. Not that I need to speak for Nanoose and pardon my barging in uninvited but well this time I wanted to put my two cents' worth in just for the halibut! Happy Friday! :)
I spent far too many years of my life in too many different areas waiting for people to realize on their own that I was smarter and more knowledgeable than they were and that they ought to pay more attention to what I am saying.
So in these latter years of my presence here. I tend to point out dead-end and simply erroneous conclusions much more quickly.
Like Gordon Lightfoot sung (1971, Album: Sunny Side of Life) :
Go my way it's the only way to go If things aren't workin' out you'll be the first to know
("No disrespect to you intended."---None felt. I don't wear a sign saying "genius," but for me to suggest I don't know what I am talking about is to deny the gifts and opportunities God has allowed me to experience.
Have you ever been "wrong" about anything tom? Not being sarcastic here. Just curious. Of course there is line between being honest and being a boastful braggart. The trump is a boastful braggart but also a LIAR. So what he boasts/brag of being/doing is incredibly hilarious since he proves otherwise. Being confident is a good thing. Being arrogant not so hot. Different strokes. What works for you would not work for me. And Vicey Versey. Thank you for your reply! :)
Wrong?---sure, but I am aware of my limitations and have always avoided topics and situations that I have absolutely no insight or education about.
Credibility has value---anecdote: When I was in graduate school I formally tutored some classmates and worked with the professor to give him information about the unique issues with his particular class. After the final exam in the course, we reviewed my test. He mentioned I missed the first question. I uttered an appropriate expletive and he quickly responded, "But I didn't take off for it---I knew you knew how to multiply matrices."
Everything the evolving abbreviation LGBTQ+ stands for is as far from my comprehension, understanding, and insight as pregnancy and birth in females. As a male and a heterosexual, I don't think there's much I can add to either subject; and I see no value in possibly inadvertently "subtracting" something.
My wife once suggested that I always had to be "right." Well, why would I want to convey wrong information unless you were asking just for my opinion. Plus, with my background in math and physics, my opinion is going to tend to be precise.
I really appreciate your going into so much detail to further explain how you're wired. It helps me a great deal so I really do thank you. I try not to venture into areas about which I'm ignorant too. Who wants to make a fool of herself? On the other hand take quantum physics for example. I AM DRAWN TO IT FASCINATED BY IT and have no educational background to support my interest. It is the stuff of science fiction of which I am a huge fan. So what is an ignorant lay person to do? I have about 18 books by various physicists written for lay people like me and I've read every one. I don't understand every word but I understand enough to find it more than satisfying. Every time there is a new twist in the field I'm there reading about. If I have the smarts and if there is a next time around I would dearly love to be a quantum physicist. I talk about it a lot and maybe I sound silly to those in the know but I'm willing to subject myself to that tom. My curiosity about is so overwhelming I don't care if I sound ignorant or even dumb. For instance you've probably seen me bring up Quantum Entanglement on Answermug from time to time. That just blows my mind. Anyway thanks again for the time you spent! Muchly appreciated! :)
I know some geniuses and THEY ALL don't think they're that hot. The trump is the point of this question. Allegedly he has an IQ of 158. Genius starts at an IQ of 140. Yet everything he does/says is incredibly stupid. Thank you for your thoughtful answer and say hi to smarty Marty for me woudja? :)
After decades of research, scientists are finally beginning to understand why this happens. Shane Frederick at Yale University was among the first to conduct research that explained why rational thinking and intelligence don’t tend to go hand in hand.
In his studies, Frederick gave people simple problems to solve, like this one: “A bat and ball cost a dollar and 10 cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?”
Frederick found that some people have the tendency to confidently blurt out the wrong answer, stating that the ball costs 10 cents. You, of course, knew that the correct answer is that the ball costs five cents, and you’re completely justified if you’re wondering if the, well, less-than-smart people were the ones blurting out the wrong answer.
Psychologists from James Madison University and the University of Toronto wondered the same thing. They gave similar tests of logic to hundreds of people and compared the accuracy of their answers to their levels of intelligence. The researchers found that smart people were more likely to blurt out the wrong answer because they actually make more mental mistakes when problem-solving.
Smart people are more prone to silly mistakes because of blind spots in how they use logic. These blind spots exist because smart people tend to be overconfident in their reasoning abilities. That is, they’re so used to being right and having quick answers that they don’t even realize when they’re blowing it by answering without thinking things through.
The dummies getting the bat-and-ball question wrong weren’t so dumb, either. When Frederick gave the question to students from Harvard, Princeton, and M.I.T., more than half of them got it wrong. Even students from some of the most prestigious universities in the world make stupid mistakes.
Perhaps the scariest thing about the errors that highly intelligent people make is how unaware they are of them. People of all levels of intelligence succumb to what’s called the “bias blind spot.” That is, we’re great at spotting other people’s mistakes and terrible at recognizing our own. The sillier the mistake, the harder it is for an intelligent person to accept that they’ve made it.
“I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing.” — Socrates
While it might seem like we don’t spend our days solving logic problems like the bat-and-ball question, the brain functions involved in solving these problems are the same ones we use in everyday thinking. Hence, the tendency to do stupid things follows smart people into the workplace. Consider some of the most common ways in which smart people manage to shoot themselves in the foot.
Thank you so much for this extremely thoughtful helpful and informative answer tom as well as the link. I appreciate it bigly. Is a photographic memory and IQ related? I'm gonna ask. :)
Shuhak 