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Trump is talking over unsecurred lines constantly. Wouldn't that alone be grounds to throw his butt out if it were any other President?

We have seen this pattern of behavior before.

Courtesy of WaPo:

President Trump has routinely communicated with his personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, and other individuals speaking on cellphones vulnerable to monitoring by Russian and other foreign intelligence services, current and former U.S. officials said.

Phone records released this week by the House Intelligence Committee revealed extensive communications between Giuliani, unidentified people at the White House and others involved in the campaign to pressure Ukraine, with no indication that those calls were encrypted or otherwise shielded from foreign surveillance.

The revelations raise the possibility that Moscow was able to learn about aspects of Trump’s attempt to get Ukraine to investigate a political rival months before that effort was exposed by a whistleblower report and the impeachment inquiry, officials said.

Trump is not identified by name in the House phone records, but investigators said they suspect he may be a person with a blocked number listed as “-1” in the files. And administration officials said separately that Trump has communicated regularly with Giuliani on unsecured lines.

“It happened all the time,” said one former senior aide, who noted that Giuliani had a range of foreign clients.

Since many of these calls originated in Ukraine it is a given that the Kremlin was listening in. 

After all, that is what they do. 

Speaking of Giuliani and Ukraine his most recent trip seems to be freaking out people in Trump’s White House. 

Courtesy of The Daily Beast

Rudy Giuliani’s decision to travel to multiple European countries this week, during the height of an impeachment probe involving his client President Trump, was so startling to senior administration officials and national security brass that they began tracking his movements in an effort to get a read on his objectives abroad.

Other officials in the West Wing and numerous Trump associates learned about his latest foreign adventure, which included a stop in Ukraine, by reading the news. Many of them expressed exasperation at the thought of Giuliani—himself reportedly in the crosshairs of federal investigators—continuing to cause headaches for the White House. Others feared he would cause tangible damage to U.S. foreign policy.

“I do not see why [any] lawyer would see this as serving the best interests of their client,” said a senior White House official. “Especially now.”

Senior U.S. officials in the State Department and in the national security apparatus were concerned that Giuliani was speaking with politicians in both Budapest and Kiev who have interests in domestic American politics. According to five sources with knowledge of the situation, there is renewed fear that the president’s lawyer is still shopping for dirt about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter as well as speaking with foreign officials who, against all evidence, have promoted the idea that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 presidential election.

The concerns about Giuliani’s trip to Kiev were so pronounced that they reached officials close to President Volodymyr Zelensky, who were advised by Americans and politicians in Ukraine not to meet with Giuliani when he was in town, according to an individual familiar with those conversations.

Even though Trump staffers are not sure what the hell Giuliani is up to it appears that whatever he is doing he is doing with Trump’s blessing. 

Courtesy of NYT:

The European trip was organized around the filming of a multipart television series featuring Mr. Giuliani that is being produced and aired by a conservative cable channel, One America News, or OAN.

The series, the first two installments of which have already aired, is being promoted as a Republican alternative to the impeachment hearings, including Ukrainian “witnesses” whom House Democrats running the inquiry declined to call. Some of the Ukrainians interviewed by Mr. Giuliani were sworn in on camera to “testify under oath” in a manner that the network claims “debunks the impeachment hoax.”

Mr. Giuliani was joined in Budapest by an OAN crew, including the reporter hosting the series, Chanel Rion, who conducted an interview in the Hungarian capital with Mr. Lutsenko, according to someone familiar with the interview.

So while his boss is being impeached for suspicious activities he did with Ukraine Rudy Giuliani is engaged in suspicious activities designed to help him get away with it? 

And the whole time the Kremlin is monitoring their conversations about all of this and gathering even more kompromat to use against them moving forward?

What an excellent plan.

Posted - December 8, 2019

Responses


  • 19937
    If it was up to me, I'd impeach him and throw him out for wearing his tie too long.
      December 8, 2019 10:24 AM MST
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  • 46117
    How about the drawerful of illegal Pseudofed in his desk drawer.  LOL  BUSTED.  He downs this stuff like candy.  It alters you.  It makes you feel like you are on speed.  That is why he is so sweaty all the time.  When he comes down, he slurs.  When he is up, he is angry and hostile and ready to take on anyone who has a salient point to make.  With complete gibberish.
      December 8, 2019 10:39 AM MST
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  • 19937
    Sudafed is not illegal - you just have to buy it via the Pharmacy counter.  Yes, it is like speed which is why a lot of people can't take it and it isn't meant to be an upper which I suspect is the way Trump uses it.  
      December 8, 2019 11:05 AM MST
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  • 1152
    But, but, but...Hilary's e-mails!

      December 8, 2019 10:30 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Oh God. Rudy's busy bashing Biden's son in Ukraine, Barr is busy hiding and going after the Intelligence Agency Spies, who do we get?  Who can save the day for Trump?  Someone who is an absolute sleuth who can get these emails unearthed once and for all....(note the orange lips)

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at December 8, 2019 10:44 AM MST
      December 8, 2019 10:41 AM MST
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  • 11112
    I always laughed when I heard people compare Donald Trump to a mob boss because mob bosses are smart enough to use burner phones for their illegal activity.  Trump probably brings his private phone into top secret meetings and that phone is probably hacked which would mean the camera and mike could be turned on and monitored. Awhile back Trump used his personal phone to take photos of Navy Seals on a secret mission  so the Seals faces were reviled and maybe also their position because a hacked phone could have a Ping program on it tracking Trumps ever move. Trump is a threat to National security  and they should remove him from office for that. On the other hand there could be some embarrassing stuff on his private phone like a vid of trump with Russian prostitutes. The embarrassing part would be that its likely a very short vid because Trump is probably a 2 second hero. Cheers! 
      December 8, 2019 11:28 AM MST
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