No one in your family is ALLOWED to get vaccinated. Including the children. A child gets a disease and dies. HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH THAT?

The same way you live with discouraging someone from being vaccinated and they die from Covid or a variant.

I hope you are never in that situation. 

I hope you're never in yours. This post was edited by SpunkySenior at July 15, 2021 1:29 PM MDT

:):):)

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I hope you never encourage someone not to take the shots and then they die.

I had the opposite happen.  They passed shortly after getting their 2nd shot. 

Regrettable, but no matter how safe some drug is, there are bound to be exceptions.  The question becomes whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.  In the case of the Covid vaccines, millions and millions of shots have been given with less than .01% fatalities.  Compare that to the number of fatalities that occurred before the vaccines were available.  I'm sure you won't agree with me, but millions of lives have been saved because of the vaccines - fewer deaths, fewer serious illnesses, fewer hospitalizations.  

Yes, It is regrettable. 

Coinsidentally fatalities for those under 70 is also under 1%. 

Now I know why you didn't post the link from which you got this.  The information is from 2020.  How about something more current?

Here is the lasted posted by the CDC.   Uses info up to March 2021.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.htm





Personally I am willing to bet if we can find the data that breaks it down to 66-69 yr it is also under 1%. This post was edited by my2cents at July 16, 2021 12:10 PM MDT

I have to admit that I don't understand the top chart.  It's broken down into 2 scenarios per column, but it includes age ranges from 0-65+  The percentages can't possible be the same for each of those age groups.  

In addition, you don't take into consideration how many people will have to be hospitalized for any length of time or on ventilators for extended periods, yet survive.  Nor do you take into account the long-term effects once a person is out of the hospital.  I realize that this has not been going on long enough to get the true picture of extended after-effects, but that is something that the vaccines may mitigate.

I am taking their numbers from scenario 5...they say it is the Best Current Estimate. 

Under 65 have less than a 1% death rate. 

0-17 is 20 deaths per 1 Million cases .002% IFR (Infection death rate)

18-49 is 500 deaths per 1M cases .05% IFR  this is 24x more likely to die than 0-17

50-64 is 6000 deaths per 1M cases .6% IFR this is  27x more likely to die than the 0-17
and 11x more likely to die than the 18-49

65+ is 90,000 deaths per 1M cases for 9% IFR this is 420x more likely than 0-17,
168x more than 18-49
and 14x more likely than 50-64.

The percentages are all still under 1% but compared to each other they are not that close. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

Here is there brake down but CDC not giving numbers and not using the same age groups.  But you can see from the difference that the group 65-74 does not jump as much as their 75-84 and 84-95 group. 
(I still believe the 65-74 stays under 1% IFR) 

We were not discussing long term effects....we were discussing survial rate.    And if we are going to look at the long term for the disease then we have to look at the long term effects from the vaccines:  Heart issues, blood clots, interference with mensural cycles, miscarriages, deaths etc.

The whole situation is crap.  But no one should be forced to take a vaccine they do not want to take. Especially one that is not tried and tested over years. 



This post was edited by my2cents at July 16, 2021 2:50 PM MDT

Try absorbing this bit of information"

"To date, we have not had a patient admitted to a DHS hospital who has been fully vaccinated with either the J&J, Pfizer or Moderna vaccine," said Dr. Christina Ghaly, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services, said Tuesday. "Every single patient that we've admitted for COVID has been not yet fully vaccinated."

https://abc7.com/unvaccinated-covid19-los-angeles-county-hospitalizations/10887037/

Again  UNDER 1% death....under 65.   

People have the right to decide what risk they are willing to take with their body. 
IF the vaccine works....then me or anyone else not getting it does not effect anyone else, who had the vaccine.    

:):):)

12 and up. 

Then Rosie's statement "No one in your family is allowed to get vaccinated" is logically impossible.

She means the adults or adult in charge will not allow anyone else to get the vaccine who are eligible under the EUA.

They're called Christian Scientists.

There are others outside that sect, who believe the same thing.  As individuals, not because that is what their sect teaches.