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Do you think the labor leaders could/should do a lot more to help poorly treated, poorly paid non-union workers?

Millions of workers are furious and off the job or quitting because of intolerable working conditions. They don't get hazard pay when working dangerous jobs, forced to work 70 - 80 hour weeks, no paid sick days when sick, etc. Getting puny raises while executives pay soared.

Why are the labor leaders doing so little to engage in a movement of non-union workers that could work in conjunction with traditional union movement?

From The Guardian

Posted - January 3, 2022

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  • 44604
    Sounds like those executives are paying the union leaders. We had one once (Toledo Federation of Teachers) Who would stop at nothing to get us what we wanted. When he retired, his wife was voted in and did the same. We called them King Dal and Queen Francis. The next one, however, was a complete p**** and we didn't get raises for years.
      January 3, 2022 3:55 PM MST
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  • 13395
    That is what it looks like more likely than being threatened with violence to comply. 
    So what can those workers do .. that is not too overly drastic?
      January 3, 2022 4:07 PM MST
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  • 44604
    We just threatened strike. The voters voted us raises.
      January 3, 2022 4:18 PM MST
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  • 19937
    We had one once (Toledo Federation of Teachers) who would stop at nothing

    This is not the beginning of a new sentence.
      January 3, 2022 5:05 PM MST
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  • 44604
    WHAT...are you the new Randy?
      January 3, 2022 7:56 PM MST
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  • 53504

     

      You know, Professor, now that you mention it, Stu and I are on the outs right now anyway.

     


      This is a perfect opportunity to break in a new partner . . .



    ~

      January 3, 2022 8:25 PM MST
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  • 19937
    Just subbing for him since he seems to be asleep at the wheel!
      January 4, 2022 6:16 AM MST
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  • 53504
      January 4, 2022 9:02 AM MST
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  • 53504

     

      (executives pay executives’ pay)

    Plural possessive noun.

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    This post was edited by Randy D at January 4, 2022 9:02 AM MST
      January 3, 2022 4:39 PM MST
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  • 53504


      From what I know of labor unions, and based purely on the personal experience I had when I was a union member, for some unions it’s a bit of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation for them to act on behalf of non-members. Because of the way the union contract read in the union to which I belonged, union officials had to act on behalf of all employees, because all employees were considered part of what is known as “the bargaining unit” regardless of union membership or not. At that job there were two entities written into the contract the bargaining unit and management. Once an employee was promoted to a supervisory position, he or she was no longer considered part of the bargaining unit and became part of management. My union would not act on behalf of management or management personnel in any way shape or form, would only act on behalf of non-supervisory employees. From my limited understanding, there are some unions that will only represent employees who are who are dues-paying members, and/or other requirements that stipulate what is active and current membership. Therefore, in the type of unions where all employees must be represented by their union, then the answer to your question is actually moot, but only on face value. My actual experience was that certain non-member employees who sought union assistance on an issue received lackluster response and/or lackluster efforts from the union, as opposed to dues-paying union members.

      The other type of union to be considered is that type in which written into their rules regulations or laws is the stipulation that only dues paying members or active and current members HAVE TO be represented by the union, but that discretionary assistance can be offered to non-members. This is where the two edge sword comes in. A union can seek favor for itself and attract more membership by representing nonmembers, such as in any way that says the union is beneficial. It can actually be a recruiting effort to represent nonmembers by showing everyone what the union can and is willing to do. On the other hand, however, for those unions that have the opportunity to use discretionary decision making and representing nonmembers, yet choose not to do so either in a blanket policy or in a case by case basis, that can backfire for the union if and when nonmembers look at it as an us and them situation. There might already be divisiveness between labor and management but further divisiveness can exist between labor members of the union and labor non-members of the union.

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      January 3, 2022 4:40 PM MST
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  • 13395
    Thanks, that just about covers everything one might like to know about unions. 
    I only worked for one non-union company and they treated and paid us quite well. Some people wanted to become unionized but most of the workers decided no because the company threatened that there would be some loss of benefits.

    Oops I lied, see my text next post below... This post was edited by Kittigate at January 4, 2022 8:46 AM MST
      January 3, 2022 4:59 PM MST
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  • 53504
    Thank you!

      Besides the one non-union company for which you worked, I know you served in both the Royal Canadian Navy and the  Canadian Coast Guard, which of course are not union; were there also some union jobs you worked in addition to the non-union ones?
    ~ This post was edited by Randy D at January 4, 2022 9:19 AM MST
      January 3, 2022 7:44 PM MST
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  • 13395
    Yes, I was in the Canadian Coast Guard for about a year, after i left the Navy, there was union there but I never was interested in anything about union.
    When I hired with CN Railway I became a union member after 3 months probation, the UTU (United Transportation Union)  I was again never much interested in Union activities, I never went to meetings.
    I worked as a non-union laborer for a drain tile company as well for 2 1/2 years, they paid reasonable and treated us well. Sometimes they paid us time and a half for overtime, most of the time not, just depended if they charged the customer extra. On drain tile jobs as well as  roofing jobs they changed the customer $42/hour (each laborer) and paid us $8/hour, $1. above minimum wage, that was early '90s.. We got holiday pay but not sick pay. This post was edited by Kittigate at January 4, 2022 8:47 AM MST
      January 3, 2022 7:59 PM MST
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  • 53504

    I stand corrected: you served in both the Navy and the Coast Guard.

      Thank you again.
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      January 4, 2022 9:22 AM MST
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  • 13395
    You are welcome! The record is set straight now.
      January 4, 2022 10:33 AM MST
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  • 6023
    If they are so furious - why don't they vote for politicians who would change things?
    If citizens would vote on issues rather than party, unions would not be necessary.
    Last I knew, some European countries don't have many unions - because the government mandates things like working hours, overtime, PTO, and holidays.
      January 4, 2022 1:12 PM MST
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