Why are some folks freaking out so much about Hillary's loss? Even old Bill didn't believe she was running an effective campaign.

Perhaps her basic problem was not being nearly as skilled a politician as Bill was.

I think she was, Stu. Remember she had to overcome Bill's history.  Bill was in a better place at the right time. 


But you know what?  I think he would have won.  If this was his first shot at this?  I think  you are right.  No one could speak like that man.  He was the best of the best. 

YEEAYYYY OLD SCHOOL

(see?)  I know what I am talking about even when I have no proof.

But it's clear that it's not his fault. The Democrats didn't nominate a strong enough candidate.

@StuB -- I agree. HRC was not a strong candidate and almost any other Democratic presidential candidate with even slightly less baggage would have defeated Trump handily.

But we, as voters, should also recognize that sometimes our choice is between the mediocre and the truly awful, and NOT vote for the truly awful just because it would be a change from the mediocre.

I think San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich expresses the sentiments of many quite well:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18026810/gregg-popovich-san-antonio-spurs-expresses-frustration-donald-trump-election-victory

Indeed, but obviously people disagreed on which candidate was worse - and therein lies the rub.

@StuB -- Yes, there is a great "rub" when people think a racist/xenophobic/sexist narcissistic con man/bully is the "better" candidate compared to relatively conventional (flawed, but conventional) HRC.

It tells you ***A LOT*** about the morals and priorites of those people.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

Obviously that's your opinion.

@StuB -- If you see a flaw in my analysis, please present it.

That's your opinion, but it's not gospel. The thing about opinions is that they're like assholes - everybody has one. Obviously, enough people disagreed with you for Trump to win.

@StuB -- If it is your opinion that the Moon is made of Green Cheese, you are simply empirically WRONG!

If your opinion is that Trump will be a better President than HRC would hav been because the Moon is made of Green Cheese, then you are also simply empirically WRONG!

If you believe Trump is the Intrepid Outsider and Successful Businessman who will Reform Washington and Shake Up The Status Quo so the Common Man Benefits, you are simply empirically WRONG. There was copious evidence that Trump was talking out of his backside telling people what they wanted to hear...and we are seeing his true colors, as indicated by prior evidence,  borne out in Trump's proposed appointments for various offices.

If you still think all of Trump's nastiness and his continuing the Corporatist Kleptocracy with a new set of Kleptocrats is worth it, because that Nasty D*ke B*tch Traitor won't end up President, that's a matter of opinion. I disagree with it, but it's based recognition of what Trump really is.

Just because 48% of the people are delusional enough to think Trump will work on their behalf doesn't make it TRUE. Just ask me. I voted for Barack Obama based upon what I hoped he would do. He did almost none of it, and I freely admit that. In fact, I think he should be sharing a jail cell along with the Boy Emperor/Darth Cheney regime for being a despotic tyrant and a war criminal. I have actual principles and empirical evidence (such as Obama's confession "We tortured some folks" which AUTOMATICALLY makes him a war ciminal) to back that opinion.

What do you have backing your opinion besides fairy dust and wishful thinking?

I saw Stu's partial answer under this question on the site calling someone an asshole.  I  wondered who in the world would get him so riled.      I should have known. 

I need to read this.  It is my question.  Oh goodness.   This is not my question.  This is Stu's.  HAAAAHAA I saw my video on here and I thought it was a similar question I posted.  I got to read this.  I will try and keep out of it.  TRY.  This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at November 18, 2016 11:00 PM MST

ok here is where this goes SOUTH and Stu blows it.  LOLOLOL

Obviously that's your opinion.   STU B

Now, Stu.   It is hard to sit back and not say something.  Really.  Are YOU KIDDING ME?   You hate Hilldog that much you think she is on par with Donald Trump then. 

NO  Not even close.    I'm sorry.   I'm really done here.

I borrowed this before for someone else on here.  I got it from OS, so I will let you see what this sounds like to normal people's ears.

I borrowed this and I am sure the other Mugger won't mind.

"I'm still sick to my stomach, and not basically because the Republicans won or anything, but the disgusting tenor, tone and all the comments that have been xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic," he said before the Spurs' home game against the Detroit Pistons. "And I live in that country where half the people ignored all that to elect someone. That's the scariest part of [the] whole thing to me.

"It's got nothing to do with the environment, Obamacare and all the other stuff. We live in a country that ignored all those values that we would hold our kids accountable for." This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at November 18, 2016 10:06 PM MST

@Sharonna and OS: I never said I hated Hillary. Heck, I voted for her. I was just saying that opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. I wasn't calling anybody one! All I was saying, OS, is that you have your opinion, and you can be right all day and all night and twice on Sunday, but that doesn't change the reality that enough folks disagreed with you to get Trump elected. Unfortunately, it was a battle of two terrible candidates and she lost. Time to move on - we all have our lives to live.

Well we ARE past that fact and moving on to the fact that we are stuck with Adolph Hitler instead of her.  And your arguments on here do not assert that at all.   But I am glad you are kind of seeing the point here, albeit marginally.  

But it didn't influence the outcome any more than Clinton's inability to get out the vote in key states. That's the fault of nobody but her and her campaign.

When I remember being younger I remember so much certainty over what is right and what is wrong. I hear some of them say that it was wrong trump won and to them it is fact. I sympathize because I remember this. No with more experience the word is never so so simple and I see that neither candidate is right or wrong and this is just choosing better of two bads which is a daily activity for those who have moved high eough in career or raised children or had such life experience.

Yes but when you say the better of two bads.. is a man who has openly spouted hatred for disabled people, black and mexicans, women and pretty much everyone else really not wrong??  I am sorry but i have a ethics and that means that someone who spouts such evil can only do evil..Hilary was definitely the lesser of two evils here.. i didnt see her spouting hatred for women, ethnic minorities or anyone else either.. Trump behaved like a bully he won on inciting hatred and anger.. that makes him a bad president and a bad human being imo