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Stu Spelling Bee

Did Clinton lose - and did Trump win - because the progressive wing of the Democratic Party became too extreme?

It's been said and written that they prefer to lecture to the less educated masses and brand them stupid, ignorant, sexist, racist, or worse if they don't agree with the current social agenda. I've even seen that right here on AM. It seems that rather than run as a pragmatic centrist a la Bill Clinton in the 1990s, Hillary tried too hard to placate the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren lefty factions of the party. Her reputation didn't help and Trump won the narrative. Food for thought?

Posted - November 19, 2016
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  • 46117
    What?

    Nah.  He won because he is a crook.  He appealed to the basket of deplorables that were much larger than we wanted to believe.  At least I wanted to believe they were negligible in number.  I didn't think most of them knew how to fill out a ballot.


    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at November 19, 2016 11:56 PM MST
      November 19, 2016 11:47 PM MST
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  • 380
    Hillary is a lying criminal, whose message of I am a woman vote for me just wasn't going to work. I didn't think democrats could find the way to the polls without being bribed.
      November 20, 2016 2:00 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Yes, I normally want proof, but since it is you,  you and I know how much weight your opinion holds with me.

    It's enough.  You are so clever and accurate.
      November 20, 2016 7:57 AM MST
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  • 380
    Voters saw Trump had a changed candidate, while Hillary is the same old candidate, with the same old ideas. 
      November 20, 2016 2:05 AM MST
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  • I think the winning or losing had become a  sideshow in the main event, that being the views of the 50s are unfortunately skive and well and are now crawling out from the rocks they dwell ... Don't get me wrong, I can see the appeal in what he promised, some of them not all... The candidates were both bad choices ... Now the turbulence that lie beneath the surface has dinner up for air ... Now how to deal with it This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at November 20, 2016 7:58 AM MST
      November 20, 2016 3:23 AM MST
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  • 17261
    Well, Clinton won the popular vote. Her failure isn't that she tried to reach out for Sanders supporters, in fact she might not have done this well enough. There is no way you can win over an opponent by taking over their positions. Competing with Trump being the nastiest guy in the run is a mission impossible. Her big failure will be that she didn't get enough voters activated in the swing states. Reasons for this will be many, but essentially it's here you'll find the root for her loss of electoral votes.
      November 20, 2016 3:47 AM MST
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  • 13277
    Why do folks keep bringing up the popular vote thing? That's not how the process works and is irrelevant. That happened because she preached to the choir, appealing to people on the left in big, dark blue states such as California and New York, which delivered 84 of her 239 electoral votes. She failed to appeal to enough folks in the so-called "flyover states".
      November 20, 2016 7:17 AM MST
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  • 17261
    I think i made my comment about her failure in the swing/flyover states. I cannot help you if you cannot see how the popular vote can't be helpful answering your question. As I read it, it was about her being too progressive/extrem or not causing her loss. Had that been the case she wouldn't have held the popular vote overall. You keep digging in one direction with your questions, but I don't see it like that. 
      November 20, 2016 7:44 AM MST
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  • Obama said she should have visited more towns during the campaigning, that she ignored too many places. Maybe if she had, she would have won more states. I think one of her biggest blunders was saying she was going to shut down the coal mines and put the miners out of jobs.As long as we have the EC, the candidates really need to campaign the hardest in the states that carry the biggest amount of votes. 
      November 20, 2016 8:08 AM MST
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  • 17261
    Yes, like said... her failure was not getting enough voters out participating in the swing/flyover states elections. 
      November 20, 2016 9:12 AM MST
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  • 46117
    It's not irrelevant. 

    It speaks volumes.   We don't want him.
      November 20, 2016 7:59 AM MST
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  • 13277
    And lots of folks didn't want her.
      November 20, 2016 8:17 AM MST
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  • She was not the right Dem to run.She has too shady and shifty of a past, and people know this. Bernie should have won the primaries, he, by far, would have been the better candidate. 
      November 20, 2016 8:27 AM MST
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  • 17261
    No matter how you try to manipulate the numbers, more voters wanted HRC over DT. Period, those are the numbers. This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at November 20, 2016 9:19 AM MST
      November 20, 2016 9:10 AM MST
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  • I think there have been four previous elections where the candidate won the popular vote but not the electoral vote.  
      November 20, 2016 9:19 AM MST
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  • 13277
    But it's irrelevant to the outcome because that's based on the EC. It's exactly what happened to Al Gore in 2000, and it's pointless to keep bringing it up. It's like beating a dead horse.
      November 20, 2016 10:54 AM MST
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  • 17261
    That wasn't your question. 
      November 20, 2016 10:56 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Stuart.  Have we ever been faced with this situation before?  Oh yes. 911.  National Emergency. 

    This is a National Emergency.  I have great hopes that there is SOMETHING we can certainly do about it.  We don't have to listen.

    Some of us may go to jail for it.  Some of us may even die.  But that is happening already because we let this happen.   So it is time to get off our asses and take our rights back 
      November 20, 2016 10:57 AM MST
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  • 13277
    LOL! You mean we should stop posting sh*t on sites like this, get up off our butts, and actually do something? Naahhh!
      November 20, 2016 1:12 PM MST
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  • 34293
    Support of NAFTA and TPP has a lot to do with it. People are tired of watching their good jobs move to other countries. Then being told to deal with it. 
    Then the fact that the border is not secure forcing Americans to compete with illegals for jobs. 
    Then we have regulations and taxes that also effect jobs.
    Basically "It's the economy, Stupid" again. 
      November 20, 2016 4:51 AM MST
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  • 1713
    Well, the ultra mega left really has completely fallen off its rocker. They're frothing at the mouth like a rabid beast, frightening away the more sane lefties. :(
      November 20, 2016 6:15 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Those people are not ultra anything.  Those are people that cannot deal with this outcome.  Those are people who can see the writing on the wall and I think I may go join them soon.

    I am not ultra and I am not left of anything.  I see a monster and you are watching like you don't see a thing. 
      November 20, 2016 8:00 AM MST
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  • 3907
    Hello Stu:

    Nahh...  With her ties to Wall Street, Hillary tried to out Republican the Republicans..  It didn't work.

    This all started when Reagan FIRED the Aircraft Controllers, and NOT ONE union made a peep.  If libs wanna WIN, they need to be LIBERAL..

    excon
      November 20, 2016 6:22 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Oh I see.   Let me tell you a thing.   I think there was a  Wall involved here.  But NOT Wall Street.  The wall of prejudice was involved on many levels.  Not Wall Street.  

    The imbeciles who picked Trump ? They have no idea about what ties she has to Wall Street.  They don't even know what Wall Street is.

    Your rabid political knowledge about Wall Street was barely an issue here as far as I can see.

    She was vilified at every turn by a liar.  And you are buying it.

    Look.   Trump is a known racist, hate monger, riot encourager (until now, not so much), he is filled with invective for anyone and anything that opposes him.  He lies and contradicts himself at every turn.

    Now.  If you want to play fisticuffs I will show you examples of this pig being a pig all day long.

    You can counter with examples and proof of Hillary being a LIAR and Cheat and I think I will have 500 times more fodder to bury you with.

    She is too far right as far as you are concerned.   What a sinner.  What is Wall Street going to do for Joe the Plumber?  They don't give a damn.

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at November 20, 2016 8:18 AM MST
      November 20, 2016 8:03 AM MST
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