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Stu Spelling Bee

Did Clinton lose - and did Trump win - because the progressive wing of the Democratic Party became too extreme?

It's been said and written that they prefer to lecture to the less educated masses and brand them stupid, ignorant, sexist, racist, or worse if they don't agree with the current social agenda. I've even seen that right here on AM. It seems that rather than run as a pragmatic centrist a la Bill Clinton in the 1990s, Hillary tried too hard to placate the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren lefty factions of the party. Her reputation didn't help and Trump won the narrative. Food for thought?

Posted - November 19, 2016
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  • 3907
    Hello t:

    The question wasn't about Hillary..  It was about what's wrong with the Democrats.  That Trump WON should be a CLUE that something is VERY wrong with the Democrats..

    excon
      November 20, 2016 8:41 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Nahh... With her ties to Wall Street, Hillary tried to out Republican the Republicans.. It didn't work.

    That is what I answered.  YOU and we are past the question thanks to this.
      November 20, 2016 8:49 AM MST
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  • 13277
    I believe Elizabeth Warren is too far right for excon, lol.
      November 20, 2016 10:57 AM MST
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  • 46117
    I'm sure ex has a lot of very solid evidence that backs his thought process.  He has a lot to offer in his arguments.  I don't think Elizabeth Warren would piss ex off in any fashion.  He and I do not see eye-to-eye, but at least he doesn't go off half-cocked and make up crap and not listen to reason.

    He can be debated.   Most Trump lovers cannot even think, much less be debated and ex is no lover of Trump and for that, we are bonded.  Forever.

      November 20, 2016 11:00 AM MST
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  • 13277
    True enough.
      November 20, 2016 1:15 PM MST
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  • The poorest decision of the Democratic Party machine was to fail to support Sanders.  I know why it did so, but it was a major mistake.
      November 20, 2016 8:20 AM MST
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  • 3934
    Nope. Been there, done that. Got the autocratic tyrants and Wall Street bailouts. Not gonna do it anymore.

      November 20, 2016 11:12 AM MST
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  • 13277
    Ah, The West Wing - a great series but also a make-believe universe created by super-lefty Aaron Sorkin in which presidential elections were held in 1998, 2002, and 2006, and no Republican ever wins the White House. Sorkin went on a diatribe after Trump won about how the stock markets were tanking (although they actually went up) and how he didn't know what to tell his precious little children. Poor guy.
      November 20, 2016 3:45 PM MST
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  • 3934
    @StuB -- Bill Clinton ran as a relative liberal (and won), then steered to the center-right. Barack Obama ran as a relative liberal (and governed towards the center-right).  Both of them won two elections. Al Gore and HRC ran as "more of the same"....and lost (at least the Electoral College).

    Is my analysis too simplistic? Probably. But it is scarcely more simplistic than your zero-evidence claim about the "progressive wing of the Democratic party"

    In my lifetime, I have heard many MANY times that the Democratic party needs to be "more center"...and those calls are typically followed by Democratic candidates having their asses handed to them.

    Unless you can show me EVIDENCE of your claim, it's simply your wishful thinking.


    P.S. One irony of the West Wing clip I posted is the actor (Ron Silver) was actually quite conservative in his personal political views. Other cast members teased him by calling him, "Ron-ron the Neo-con."
      November 20, 2016 4:14 PM MST
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  • 13277
    Actually, Bill Clinton ran to the right of Nixon. You can look it up.
      November 21, 2016 6:25 AM MST
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