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Congressman Alan Grayson is proposing to add a "None of the Above" candidate to all federal elections. Do you support or oppose the idea?

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This is not a new idea. A brief Google search indicates it was proposed in 2001 and 2010 (and, I'm sure, at other times).

Basically, if "None of the Above" is the winning "candidate" in an election, no one is elected to that office and another election is held six weeks later with a new slate of candidates. The process repeats until someone besides "None of the Above" wins.

Congressman Grayson is motivated by polling his staff did indicating if Trump and HRC had run against "None of the Above", NOTA would have won handily.

What do you think?

Posted - November 21, 2016

Responses


  • 46117
    Well, it may work.  However, most of the people who want none of the above stay home and don't vote.  How do you coerce people to come to the polls to vote that way when they do not give two turkey turds in the first place?
      November 21, 2016 5:09 PM MST
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  • 17600
    There are always many things to vote on at the same time as when we elect the president, at least in  the states where I have lived.  This year there were Congressmen, Senator, State Constitutional Amendments, Sheriff, etc. elected at the same time.  It's must easier voting by mail; it allows me to sit down with the ballot and review exactly what the Amendments and levies are. I have to say I like mail voting, but I think it's an opportunity for fraud. 
      November 21, 2016 5:19 PM MST
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  • 46117
    Yes, Thrift, I also voted by mail as well, but what does this have to do with the question?  Or what I said? 

    We are wondering here, dear lady, what would an option of NEITHER ONE garner, knowing that if we get enough NEITHER ONE counts, we shall have a guaranteed new election in 6 weeks.  Read question.   Yes, Ms. Thrifty I also mailed my ballot.  A fat lot of good it did.  
      November 21, 2016 11:38 PM MST
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  • 17600
    The point is that there are lots of things on the ballot besides the president.  So, if one doesn't want to vote for a presidential candidate, they still have voting to do.  Not voting in an election, this subject being the presidential one, is a way for someone to use their vote. 

    I started to add a Doobie Bros tune, but felt like that would be off topic.  ;)
      November 22, 2016 1:05 AM MST
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  • 3934
    @TM -- Providing a "None of the Above" candidate in an election in no way takes away anyone's right to vote any way they choose on any office or ballot measure.

    To my knowledge, no one is proposing that "None of the Above" be made the default if a vote for an office is left blank on a ballot.

    As far as I can tell, you're just griping for the sake of griping.
      November 22, 2016 1:14 AM MST
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  • 17600
    That post was for Sharrona.  I failed to put her name at the beginning. 
      November 22, 2016 10:59 AM MST
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  • 3934
    I suspect it wouldn't have much effect, given what I've observed about political polarization in the USA. But I'd like to see it tried to see what does happen.
      November 21, 2016 5:23 PM MST
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  • 3934
    That was fun, even though it is off-topic...;-D...
      November 21, 2016 5:26 PM MST
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  • 46117
    FUN?  FUN???  This is shocking. 

    Oh man, WW, you are deplorable.  LOLOLOL
      November 21, 2016 11:39 PM MST
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  • 17600
    I do not support the idea.  People may use their vote as they wish, meaning vote for who they want to win, vote for someone else,  not vote, etc.  The proposal would accomplish nothing of import.
      November 21, 2016 5:12 PM MST
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  • 3934
    @TM -- In theory, NOTA could be of great import. Imagine if NOTA actually won the recent Presidential election. We'd be scrambling to see who the major parties put up as substitutes.

    In practice, I agree. People who are motivated enough to vote typically are motivated to vote FOR something, and history suggests they'll overlook a lot of caveats to vote FOR the candidate/policy they prefer.
      November 21, 2016 5:25 PM MST
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  • 2219
    Same problem as the apathy party has.
      November 21, 2016 5:16 PM MST
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  • 3934
    I think your answer brings up an important point. My reading of election behavior suggests people WILL vote for Horrible Candidate A if A's ideology more or less lines up with that of the voter, because at least A is NOT Even More Horrible Candidate B.

    There isn't much evidence people will decide to NOT vote for either Horrible Candidate.
      November 21, 2016 5:28 PM MST
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  • I do like the idea, but I can see it causing chaos.  How long before they run out of realistic candidates?  How many stints of 6 weeks before something has to be decided?  And how long before people lose interest in a contest that consistently fails to select a winner?

    I know the idea of mandatory voting gets some people's backs up, but I can't see a problem with it if the 'None of the Above' option is added to the candidates.
      November 21, 2016 5:18 PM MST
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  • 3934
    Having lived through the Great California Governor Recall Election (which brought The Governator into office), I think our democracy can stand a little chaos.

    In fact, there is an argument to be made our democracy is bit too predictable. Since about 1980, a clear front-runner had emerged from both major parties and most of the election cycle is wasted on pretending anyone but The Big 2 have a chance.

    Still, I would be interested to see if multiple NOTA runoffs ever became a problem.
      November 21, 2016 5:32 PM MST
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  • I would agree with you entirely.  Many, and many of those in let's say, 'elevated' positions within the current system would not.  Sadly for us, these people (at least here, and I suspect elsewhere too) are where the power to make such decisions lies.

    I'm all for a little experimentation with how things work though, if only for the possibility that it might keep a few people a bit more honest.
      November 21, 2016 7:46 PM MST
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  • 3523
    I like it.  As with forming the election process from scratch, I am sure they could work out the bugs.  I vote Yes for the above.
      November 21, 2016 7:25 PM MST
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  • 3934
    As I noted elsewhere, I think partisan polarization would render it ineffective (at least in the near future). But I'd like to see what would happen if it became an option.
      November 21, 2016 7:27 PM MST
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  • 5614
    I like it.
      November 21, 2016 7:54 PM MST
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  • I think its only half an answer. .. There needs to be a law that I such an event the parties must nominate new runners .. In the meantime the incumbent stays in office ... Might be more of an incentive
      November 21, 2016 8:02 PM MST
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  • 3934
    Some have proposed a form of voting called "instant runoff" where people RANK their preference of candidates. For example, in the recent election someone might have submitted a ballot like:

    1) Jill Stein
    2) Lawrence Lessig
    3) Hillary Clinton
    4) Gary Johnson
    Etc.

    In instant runoff elections, if someone doesn't win an outright majority of #1 preference votes, then some sort of scoring system is used to add up 2nd preference votes, 3rd preference votes, and so forth.

    Proponents argue it would tend to elect candidates who have the broadest appeal across all voters, rather than simply the one whose faction happens to temporarily have a plurality.
      November 21, 2016 8:10 PM MST
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  • We have that in Australia ... They are called preferences and are assigned by the pau of each person running though .. It can lead to some strange results at times ... In recent ejections weer had a senator elected work only a few percent of the total vote due to some horse trading before the ejection
      November 21, 2016 9:34 PM MST
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  • 46117
    Oz what does "the pau" mean?  Is that a word?  I'm not understanding.    Thanks.
      November 21, 2016 11:44 PM MST
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  • 3934
    @og256 -- Yes, please elucidate on Australia's voting system. Maybe we Ugly Americans can learn something from it...;-D...

    LATE EDIT: Note, this is NOT snark. I ***genuinely*** believe Americans could benefit by learning about how other democracies function. We Yanks have a tendency to believe we got it right and showed the rest of the world how it's done when, in fact, there are many democracies around the world who do things as well or better than the USA. This post was edited by OldSchoolTheSKOSlives at November 22, 2016 11:03 AM MST
      November 22, 2016 12:58 AM MST
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