I would bet they will. I'm not sure what Trump is thinking if he's thinking of disbanding the EPA. Clean water and clean air are two of the hallmarks of a First World Country.
He's not going to cut the regulations that are actually necessary, just the corrupt ones that are designed to suppress the economy and deindustrialize the U.S..
Climate change is a hoax and Trump knows it. It's simply a mechanism to suppress the economy. It's about private banks making us their b*tch and the biggest insider corporations, who are always exempt from the regulations anyway, consolidating power.
The left will never stop trying to create poverty. The more poverty the more the weak desperate people there are to vote left. Big business uses this to help them achieve total control by suppressing their competition. Hiding behind socialism there is always fascism. Fascists and socialists might seem opposite, but they both hate the free market.
The EPA is green on the outside and red on inside so Trump is going to gut it.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at November 23, 2016 7:17 AM MST
Your ramblings and fantasies are running away with you. Again.
I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, am keen to hear what credible scientific evidence you can point too that demonstrates unequivically that climate change is a hoax.
You are persistently delusional.
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at November 23, 2016 4:21 AM MST
Bullsh*t. You're not keen to hear anything. You're close minded and have already decided what you believe.
What you call "credible" is a euphemism for what the establishment says is true. My entire argument is that the establishment is corrupt as hell, so you're psychologically incapable of hearing what I have to say.
There are loads of scientists who know it's all bullsh*t. Most of them are too afraid to speak publicly because they would lose their jobs.
Trump has an incredible ability to cut through political correctness. He has a way of making it ok for the silent majority to say what it believes. As soon the flood gates open, the hoax will be over.
Even if you believe the lies, you should be able to see that having regs just sends industry to China etc (that has no regs), accomplishing nothing.
You are very much mistaken, yet again. I have an open mind, I wouldn't be replying to this if I did not. You resorting to saying that firstly I - and I'm sure it is not only I - am pyschologically incapable would appear to be a way for you not to engage in discourse. Would you like to continue?
Not really, I've had this debate too many times. The conservation always goes more or less the same way.
I'll show you the arguments of experts that say it's false. You'll show me the arguments experts that say the end of the world is nigh. I'll encourage you to look at the very strong political motives that powerful interests have to lie to us. You'll say it's a conspiracy theory. I'll attack the independence of your experts. You'll attack the "credibility" of mine. I'll show you evidence of climate data being cooked. You'll deny it or say it was an isolated incident not systemic.
I'll give up hope of convincing you of the hoax and argue that whatever you believe you shouldn't support unilateral regulations that just deindustrialize the west and fail to reduce world CO2 output. You'll argue that as "world leaders" we "should lead the way" in moving towards a worldwide agreement. I'll argue that we won't even be world leaders very much longer if we act with such economic stupidity. I'll argue that the economy is more important than anything. You'll argue for sacrifice. I'll argue that any such global agreement is a threat to national sovereignty and capitalism and completely unacceptable. You won't see it that way.
Neither of us will change our minds. So we might as well just agree to differ now.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at November 23, 2016 7:51 AM MST
.. http://www.dailywire.com/news/9767/9-things-you-need-know-about-climate-change-hoax-aaron-bandler
This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at November 23, 2016 9:55 AM MST
Keen to hear that you think the FDA is commie??? You're right.. I ain't interested. You might as well have just said, LIBRALS IS STOOPID, EBIL, AND COMMIE TOO.. Who would be interested in hearing that??? What?? You LIKE me saying crap about right wingers???
But, I WILL tell you my "left wing" plan to fix it. And, I think I can do it WITHOUT insulting you, and WITHOUT saying crap about right wingers.. It's a talent I have that you LACK.
Of course, I believe global warming is real. NOT because the scientists tell me, but because I look around.. It USED to be, that we just threw our trash on the ground.. I guess we thought since there was SOOO much ground, that a little trash here and there won't be noticed.. But, it was, so we STOPPED doing it. It USED to be that we dumped our garbage into the ocean, I guess because the ocean was SOOO big, that we thought a little bit of trash here and there won't matter.. But, it DOES, so we stopped that.
Now, we're throwing trash into the air, I guess because we think the atmosphere is SOOOO big, that a little bit of trash here and there won't matter.. Given my reasoning above, of course, it matters. I can't believe ANYBODY wouldn't think so.. The atmosphere is FINITE.
But, all that matters NOT.. What MATTERS is that we're gonna run out of oil. That is TRUE. It IS finite. Therefore, SINCE we're gonna run out, it's probably NOT a good idea to wait for that to happen.. After all, how much will that last barrel of oil cost anyway??
So, since I LIKE to be warm, I think we should look for another source of energy BEFORE we run out of oil. As a matter of fact, it's SOOOO important, that we should invest in a Manhattan Project style of endeavor to make renewable energy cost efficient.. Not ONLY would it help to keep me WARM, it would mean JOBS for lots and lots of people.. If there IS no replacement for oil, why not find out about it NOW instead of when it's all gone.. That's like being on life raft in the ocean, and eating ALL your food the first day.
That's my leftist/capitalist plan.. I'm waiting for you to call it a COMMUNIST plan, because that's the only thing we leftists know.. I call it killing two birds with one stone.
excon
This post was edited by excon at November 23, 2016 9:29 AM MST
Your "Manhattan project" is an absolutely awesome idea! It's something everyone SHOULD be able to get behind whatever they believe.
Though it's never going to happen, because the establishment doesn't want that. They might pay some lip service to it. They might continue to waste some taxpayer's money on weak ass things like windmills and solar panel development. Though the revolutionary new technology that would truly liberate humanity from dependence on fossil fuels will not be developed.
They probably already have it actually. They just won't release it because it doesn't serve their interests. It would be a disaster for the corporate interests that profiteer economically and politically from the existing system. It would be best to call the current agenda fascist. The far left are just pawns of mega corporate interests.
Our future is tax, regulation and austerity until people wake up and say no.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at November 23, 2016 7:42 AM MST
A point to ponder: why call someone close-minded just because they have an opposing viewpoint than you do? That's not an accurate definition of closemindedness.
I didn't say that just because she has an opposing view. I think it is fair to say that someone who calls me "persistently delusional" is not "open" to my ideas. That's ok. I'm not not exactly open to her ideas either. I've done my research and my mind is made up.
So how is that different from saying someone is 'psychologically incabable' of understanding your views. That does not imply you are yourself capable, and your glorification in the entrenchment of your conclusions would certainly corroborate your last sentence, here.
But I appreciate that you appreciate candour on this.
I see your point. If you don't trust the establishment you can't easily have your mind changed by the establishment. If you only trust the establishment, you can't easily have your mind changed by anyone except the establishment.
When the establishment is accused of wrong doing, it will always be very difficult to agree on who is a credible and independent expert. Everything in life ultimately comes down to who you trust. It's a judgment call.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at November 23, 2016 8:36 AM MST
Climate change is a hoax? Reading that, immediately keeps me from taking seriously anything that may come after. When, at this day an age there are still people that say this, is fabulously awesome to me.
Some will. It's worth remembering that some already do, but I think it safe to assume that with the threat of sanction removed this number would increase greatly.
Zeitgeist 