"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."
--Henry Kissinger, prior to the US supporting the Pinochet coup which overthrew and killed democratically-elected Chilean president Salvador Allende.
Of course, stop looking at the world with rose colored glasses, it's a cruel world out there and always has been since the beginning of time, the strongest shall survive period.
@TT -- OK, let me have your address so I can come over there, kill you and your family, and take all of your stuff.
What? No, that's not fair? But you just said it's a cruel world and survival of the strongest is the only rule.
Oh, I get it. So long as you are one of The Strong, then "Might Makes Right" is OK. If you're victimized by the strong, then you'll whine like a little b**ch...;-D...
You just don't get it. TomThumb was not telling you how the world SHOULD BE. He was telling you how it IS. "Fair" has nothing to do with it.
You can't compare the relationship between two individuals to the relationship between two nations. Individuals are subject to law. Nations are sovereign. Individuals are not in direct competition with other individuals, but nations are with other nations. One will dominate the other culturally, economically and possibly militarily unless it is held in check. An individual can afford to be a pacifist and not fight for his interests because he has the protection of people who aren't such pussies. An independent nation that doesn't fight for its interests will be destroyed. It's as simple as that.
Might doesn't make right. Though might doesn't necessarily make wrong either. You leftists have a natural tendency to hate the winner and sympathize with the loser on principle.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at December 11, 2016 11:29 AM MST
International law only exists because sovereign nations have agreed to recognize it by signing treaties. A sovereign nation could just stop recognizing it at anytime. It's not subject to it. That's what sovereignty means.
Up to a point yes, but if you look up 'peremptory norm' you will see that many of the precepts of international law are debatable, but some are not.
What consequences do you think any nation would face if it reintroduced slavery for example or committed genocide? There are always consequences for actions and no nation gets a completely free pass.
Thanks T Z you hit the nail on the head, people are being beheaded and some people still don't get it. there are police in our schools, body searches at airports, cameras every where, I can go on and on but I think the point was made thanks.
You're OK with America...**** YEAH bullying the rest of the world because you benefit from that bullying. So if tens of thousand of innocent Chileans have to die because Henry Kissinger says it's "...in America's interests" that they do so, even though they pose no existential threat to the United States or its citizens...well, f**k 'em!
Of course, if other countries were interfering with US politics and killing US citizens the same way the US does, you'd whine (see your "beheadings" comment above).
This post was edited by my2cents at December 11, 2016 1:07 PM MST
If one individual tries to dominate another individual, that's "against the law" and you're opposed to it.
If a bunch of individuals get together and call themselves "a nation" and try to go out and dominate other "nations", you're OK with it (which, naturally, you would be since you're part of the Biggest Baddest Nation on Earth).
You offer NO justification for why this should be so, other than "that's the way it is."
But lots of things used to be "The way it is" and are no longer. Monarchies used to be the norm. Slavery used to be the norm. Colonial "whte man's burden" to Lift Up The Evil Savages used to be the norm. Those are no longer norms.
Please try again when you have something more relevant than "America...F**K YEAH!"
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