So will Trumpcare push Americans to nationalising their health service?

I was thinking in terms of much further down the road, Harry. I know this will not happen quickly. The USA has been very resistant on this issue. My thinking was, as the evidence is mounting that they will never cover everyone with an insurance based system, finally they may try something else.

As stated, all we can do is surmise and I feel it will eventually happen. 

Of course, the latest burning question is, will congress even vote on Donald's health bill?

The biggest problem is the use of the word "Socialism".   Every discussion about national healthcare inevitably has the "S" bomb dropped, which scares many people 

Very true GJ.

I think people are starting to recognize the flaw in that theory when the data and statistics are readily available and are presented.  It merely helps us identify the establishment shills for the Insurance & Pharma industries

Personally I think a lot comes down to a distrust of Federal government that it has earned for itself.
We all know about all the shady things our federal government has done and people are weary of having that government involved more with medical procedures, diagnosis, and medicines.

To me the Federal government has a lot of work to do and changes to make to earn back the public's trust so we can get these balls rolling. It's like the death panel BS.  Sure it was garbage, but the fact is it is the Federal government's repeated misdeeds with the two parties at the helm  that made so many fall for it.


Sure, sure the medical corporations and HMO's haven't had our best interest either but then again corporations are and were created by the Federal government to begin with. Same for HMO's.  

Socialism can't win an election on this side of the pond because we have experience of Labour governments, and they always make such a pigs ear of things, we just don't want to go through that again. That's why Blair had to make Labour "new." America has never really had socialism, and doesn't really understand it, so the fear of it there is really irrational, as it is not based on any real knowledge or experience. I am generalising, of course. There are some Americans who understand it. I think it is the states responsibility to provide health care. No one questions that the state should provide other things essential to looking after its citizens, such as police, fire fighters and armed forces. Very few people here would try to argue that an American style, private insurance based system would be better than our NHS, and it would be electoral suicide for a political party to propose it.

That is very interesting Malizz.  I was not aware of that.  I am guessing our insurance companies are starting to think globally because they are nervous about what & where the fall out from all of this may be?  

Do you possibly have any links you can post so that I can read about it?  I'm very interested.  I like to keep up. Cheers. 

Because they are being allowed to do so for obvious reasons.

I don't recall if you and I spoke about this at an earlier time but I do like Bernie.  He is a nice man and his heart is in the right place.  It would be wonderful to have healthcare and education for all but I am not at all convinced he would be able to save us money in the long run.  I can't find the analysis that I read months ago prior to the primaries but, it was based upon each of the candidates positions regarding taxes, education, healthcare, defense, ... and the end result showed his plan would have been the costliest.  Now, that may be a result of not having much info on Trump's plans at the time.  In any event, sadly, it's all moot at this point in time.

I don't find it at all satisfying that both parties are failing in their endeavors.  I find this gridlock based upon the pure pigheadedness of both parties frustrating as hell and completely abhorrent.  :-(

No...I don't think we did talk.  There was another portion of that analysis that did not receive that much press and that was the average savings per a family annually which was significantly less in the long run. The other component was the closing of tax loop-holes and going after wall-street hedge fund management. 

Without getting into a long winded-discussion and rehashing the primaries all over with, it's a fact that the Corporate media did spend a vastly significant amount of time touting Clinton and ignoring Sanders which was to be expected given that they were focused on ratings, corporate driven, and Hillary herself was a corporate candidate for the left. 

Trump lied through his teeth as did Clinton. Neither had intentions of fulfilling their campaign promises. Clinton at least started to lean in Sanders direction, but it was only after she won the primary and needed those Sanders voters.

I hate both parties...Just one a lot more than the other and mainly because the selected that buffoon. Consider me a masochist I guess, but before we can rebuild, we need to burn this mess down. Unfortunately people learn from mistakes and if they get scalded hard enough, they will see the light.

I've been saying all along, if nothing else, this has gotten people off their apathy couches and involved again.  If both parties don't change their ways, this could very well be the beginning of a very strong formulation of a new party (or two) rather than the weaker ones that have popped up.  It's happened before.  In any event, I know we are going to see record voter turn out in 2020.  We can only hope we see candidate(s) that bring something different to the table that the majority of us will embrace and we won't have to deal with another second of this nightmarish scenario we are living with today.